Digital Cameras Rangefinders (Changeable Lens)

The Leica M8 – A simple, digital, rangefinder

Released a decade ago, the M8 was Leica’s first digital rangefinder. By the standards of most people, this thing is now old technology; it’s long in the tooth, many times superseded. Yet in the context of this blog – where I’ve been known to talk about cameras from the 1930’s as still being relevant today – it could be considered a relatively new camera. So which is it? Is it old and not worth the time of day, or can and should the Leica M8 simply be regarded as a perfectly useable second hand camera in the same way most of the kit I talk about can?

Technological advancements?

We live in a bizarre world when it comes to digital cameras. Anything more than a few years old is deemed out of date and worth replacing, yet when any given camera is released, it’s touted as the latest and greatest within its class. How is it possible that in the space of just a few years, a camera can go from being awesome to something that absolutely must be replaced? The reality is, it doesn’t. As most of us are acutely aware, the camera industry and the buzz that surrounds it sells us these apparently endless upgrades, seemingly just to help it sustain its own spiralling existence. Technology in our modern world creates a race, a race for bigger, better, faster, and above all else – if you’ll excuse my cynicism – happier, richer company share holders.

Of course, in many ways it’s hard to argue that bigger (pixel counts and higher ISOs), better (more features and configuration options) and faster (fps, write speeds etc) don’t provide various advantage to some people. And because “some people” translates into “all people” in a world where most cameras are designed to be all things to all men, it’s not hard to see why digital cameras continue to see “advancements” in their design and functions.

The problem for us consumers is where does all this advancement end? And really, do we need any of it, or do we just buy it because it’s sold to us? It could be said that the desires of most photographers are manipulated by the manufacturers. One minute we need autofocus and evaluative metering, then before we know it we are being sold 5 axis image stabilisation and the ability to comfortably shoot at 12,800iso. 25 years ago no one would have dreamed it possible or necessary to shoot in the ways this modern technology allows, yet for some today it now can’t be lived without.

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Niche advancements

What’s interesting about the rangefinder camera is that it wasn’t designed to be all things to all men. The rangefinder is designed to appeal to a much more narrow niche of photographer. What’s interesting about this niche of photographer is that it’s actually not changed in its collective desire in anyway close to how the desires of the average photographer have changed.

This is largely because as a niche, we are harder to convince that more technology is better for us. Us rangefinder shooters aren’t so fussed about 301 point autofocus, ten trillion pixels and the ability to shoot a black cat in a coal mine whilst riding a bucking bronco. We shoot manual focus cameras with vastly limited functions and make what we have work for us. I don’t think many rangefinder photographers would argue with the fact that we actually revel in the limitations our equipment imposes on us.

For Leica as a brand, even within the realms of digital photography this collective mentality born out in the apparent commercial (or at very least critical success) of two of their most recent camera releases: the M typ 262 and M-D. Both these cameras take the digital Leica M and attempt to pair down the concept rather than build upon it in the way the rest of the camera industry would. The 262 has only a couple of pages of features in its menu and a much reduced feature set compared to the video enabled, live view touting m240. The M-D takes things a whole step further by – like the special edition M60 that came before – removing almost everything apart from the absolutely essential – including the screen on the back of the camera.

By this merit, if Leica users really are so much less inspired by consistent upgrades, surely an older more simple earlier generation Leica would do the trick just as well? This is the question I asked myself that spurned on the interest in the Leica M8 after I had to give the £12,000 M60 back to Leica. I loved shooting with the M60, but I can’t afford one. I can’t even afford the M-D now the concept is in larger scale production. What I can afford is an early model Leica, such as the M8… … Or as it turns out, an M9.

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Funnily enough, since starting this review I’ve actually sidestepped to the Leica M9. I will of course come to my reasoning at the end of this post. In the meanwhile, you might notice that I used the the word “sidestepped” rather than “upgraded”. Whilst actually the M9 has been an upgrade for me, some wouldn’t see it as such. I actually think its just as valid to see the M8 as a better camera – and though I’m not sure it’s better for me – I certainly wouldn’t argue with anyone who had that opinion about their M8. I’m also so bored of the endless upgrade path of modern technology that I refuse to reinforce it just by the merits of newer and “better” by using words like upgrade in this context. The fact is, take the chronology out of the Leica M line up, and each camera – given the right goals of the user – is capable of standing proud in its own right.

This is exactly what I want to talk about in this review. Not how the M8 is “still a viable choice in 2016” as most modern reviews of the Leica M8 seem to pan out. Instead – just as I do with a lot of the film cameras I write about – I want to write about what’s good and not so good about the M8, and who I think it’s most suited to… Regardless of how old or new it is, and regardless of its somewhat limited feature set.

An afternoon with the M8 and 28mm Biogon

The Leica M8 review

I’m coming at this entirely from the perspective of someone who already shoots, and has shot a number of Leica M film cameras over number of years now. To this end the M8’s familiarity when comparing this camera to a film M camera was what initially struck me about it.

Familiar “M” features

Leica rangefinders feel solid. The Leica M8 is no exception. Not only do they feel solid, but they are solid. I dented the cil of my mates Ford Focus with mine when I dropped it getting out of his car. Dent in the car, no dent in the camera. This solidity helps breed familiarity when coming from a film M. You pick the M8 up, and despite the obviously lacking film advance and the slight increase in physical bulk, you feel pretty much like you have a Leica film camera in your hand.

The light meter

The light meter also has a very familiar feel to it. Having owned, shot and loved an M7 for a good while, the Leica M8 meter feels like a home from home. Of course you have to take into account that it’s the highlights you need to be careful of, and not the shadows in the way you do with film, but once you get past that, you find it has a very easy to use centre weighted light meter.

As in the Leica M7, aperture priority brings up a shutter speed. This shutter speed can be locked in for reframing by half pressing the shutter button. Then in manual mode – like in the manual mode of the M7 and M6 TTL – there are a series of three LEDs that signify under over or correct exposure. With correct exposure being indicated by a circle and under and over being indicated by arrows, to adjust settings to gain correct exposure you simply turn either shutter or aperture dial in the direction the arrow points. It’s all pretty rudimentary, but feels – just like the M7 – all you need to get by to get good well considered exposures that you can trust are going to be right without needing to look at the screen…

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The screen

Which is a good job really, as the screen on the back of the Leica M8 is shit. There is no other way to describe it. If you take a shot with the M8 and think you’re going to use the screen on the back to check your work – at least in daylight – you have another thing coming. The picture on the back is simply impossible to see in anything other than heavily subdued light, and when you can see it the quality is so low it’s hard to check for accurate focus. This might sound like an issue, but actually it becomes a reason to just not look at the screen after every photo. If the only way you can see a photo on the screen is by tucking the camera up your t-shirt and putting you face into the neck hole (I actually did this on the last time I took the M8 out), then 9 times out of 10, you’re probably just not going to bother with the screen on the back.

I for one, find this quite liberating. Since I’ve learned to use the meter, and I know shots are in focus because I’m used to rangefinder focusing, I just don’t need to check on the back of the camera. For some reason, with most of my digital cameras I still look at the screen (a lot) – can’t do that with the M8, it’s too shit. This is quite a back handed compliment I know, but if you’re used to shooting a film Leica, not being able to check the screen just makes the M8 feel more like what you’re used to.

The unfamiliar

Of course, not all feels the same as a film M rangefinder in use – in fact some features do feel very alien. Obviously (elephant in the room) it’s a digital camera, but I’ll come back to that point later.

The noise

I think perhaps the most obvious difference between the M8 and a film Leica – at least to your subject – is the noise it makes when you press the button. Unlike the subtle smooth cloth shutter sound of film Leicas, the M8 has a metal shutter, and of course a electronic shutter cock mechanism. I find the sound it makes quite satisfying in a way, and actually it’s nowhere near as loud as some of my compact point & shoot film cameras, though really, it’s click, clunk whirr is in the same vein as some of them. As such it’s not half as unimposing a shooting experience as you might expect or wish from a Leica rangefinder, though I got used to it quite quickly – and really I don’t think it’s as bad as many make out.

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Viewfinder, frame lines & effective focal lengths

Unfortunately there is a significant part of the design that I didn’t get used to as quickly. From a user point of view, the most notable difference between the M8 and any other Leica I have tried is the frame line configuration. Because the sensor is a 1.3x crop format, the frame lines in the viewfinder need to be of a different configuration to that in a full frame Leica. The 28/90 lines and 50/75 lines still share the same pairings – this obviously couldn’t be changed because its part of the mechanical legacy of the system.

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50/75

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28/90

What is different in terms of frame lines is the pairing with the 35mm lines. In Leicas that otherwise share a set of frame lines with the 35mm lines, the usual pairing is with 135mm lines. In the case of the M8 the lines paired with the 35mm lines are for a 24mm lens.

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24/35

Effective focal lengths

This addition of a wider angle lens simply wouldn’t be possible in a full frame camera with the standard 0.72x viewfinder. In that instance the 28mm lines are right at the edge of the finder leaving no room for 24mm lines at all. The difference with the M8 is two fold. For a start, the sensor is smaller, therefore the field of view given by the lenses equates to a longer effective focal length. This means that any lens mounted on the camera requires smaller frame lines than when mounted on a full frame camera. If you are interested, these are the very rough equivalent focal lengths given by mounting the standard focal lengths on the M8:

24mm = 31mm
28mm = 36mm
35mm = 45mm
50mm = 65mm
75mm = 97mm
90mm = 117mm

You’ll notice that a 24mm lens gives an equivalent of around 30mm. As such the frame lines in the viewfinder for a 24mm lens, are smaller than those for a 28mm lens in a full frame camera.

0.62x mag finder

In addition to the different frame line configuration, the magnification of the viewfinder is reduced from the standard 0.72x to a lower 0.62x, meaning there is even more space around the 24mm lines than you might expect.

Viewfinder confusion

In use, I found all this quite confusing to start with. Mounting a 35mm lens is especially baffling. The outside lines in the finder with a 35mm lens attached are fairly similar in size to 35mm lines in a full frame 0.72x finder, so knowing I had a 35mm lens on the camera meant that instinctually I was trying to use lines that felt appropriate. In reality, it’s actually the smaller inner lines that need to be used for 35mm lenses. This took a little bit of getting used to – and even now swapping to and from film and the M8 I find myself having to adjust a mind set when using the 35mm lens.

Last outing with the Leica M8

A 28mm preference

Of course, what’s been handy for me is that for the most part I shoot 28mm and 50mm lenses. And despite the fact I’m not used to shooting 35mm, I’ve actually found mounting one of the 28mm lenses I’ve been using the most successful. This brings up lines that are almost perfectly equivalent to 35mm lines in the viewfinder, but thanks to the crop format you get 35mm equivalent focal length with a 28mm lens depth of field. I found very quickly that this gave me a camera that I felt I could snap quite quickly and easily with. Conversely to the rest of the familiar feeling shooting experience of a Leica rangefinder, this ease of shooting gave me a much more digital-like sense of being able to just snap away quite readily – which of course has its pros and cons…

The total shooting experience

I really feel that there is enough familiarity in shooting a Leica M8 when coming from a film M to make most feel at home. For me at least it had a big impact on how positive I felt shooting with the M8 initially. The shutter dial, aperture on the lens and the viewfinder with rangefinder focusing all wrapped up in a solid feeling lump of kit had me sold within the day – at least with the actual experience of taking a photo. What takes a little more getting used to is the photographic outcome.

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Vintage digital?

The one major and entirely undebatable difference between this Leica M camera and the large majority of those that I’ve shot before is of course that it’s digital. Familiarity or otherwise in terms of the feel of the camera, for some there is no getting past this. Sometimes, it surprises me a little me to read and hear, but there are a lot of people out there who just don’t think Leica should have ever bothered with digital cameras; they think that the concept of a Leica being a life long lasting tool jars with replaceable nature of digital cameras. And you know, in some ways I completely get this mentality.

However old, and however still functioning this Leica M8 is, it doesn’t feel like it has the same chance as living as long as my M-A. With my 50 something year old M3 wagging it’s spritely finger and using the words “in my day” a lot in one corner of my camera cabinet. And with my old iiia just looking on knowingly, occasionally sipping a glass of fine fortified wine in the other corner, it’s really not hard to look at the M8 as a bit of a young pretender, destined to burn itself out at an early age like some sort of tortured rock star.

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The question is though, what age will that be? It’s not like reasonably complex electronics weren’t used in prior to digital cameras. I’ve used point & shoot cameras with autofocus and autoexposure from the 70’s that still work, but then of course there are models from much later which are now dying en mass. The Ricoh GR1 for example. But then that’s made by Ricoh – a company well known for slightly shitty build quality.

In this case we are talking about a Leica. The M8 – unlike the later M9 which is known for a sensor corrosion issue (that Leica fixes for free) – isn’t much known for serious failure. Leica M8 cameras are still going strong 10 full years after their introduction. So what would be an acceptable life span? Assuming the electronics doesn’t burn out and shutters don’t jam, would another 10 years suffice to have made the original investment viable for the naysayers? Another 17 years? (That would make them 27 – you know, like Hendrix, Morrison, Cobain etc)

One way or another, we probably aren’t talking about measuring the lifespan of these things in the average human lifetimes of normal people – but they certainly could push the envelope of digital camera lifespans… The question is of course, is the Leica M8 still worth taking a photo with after 10 years, and would it be still worth taking a photo with one in 10 (or 17) more?

The answer is of course yes… This is why I get so irked by the chronology applied so much more heavily to digital cameras. If you want your photos to look the way the Leica M8 (or any other camera for that matter) takes a photo, then there is a very good reason to shoot one. What’s most fascinating about the Leica M8 is that even on the day the M8 was released there were questions about the images it produces. Fair ones too! Yet it still has its hardened fans, even now.

The Leica M8 sensor

There is no doubting that the sensor in the Leica M8 has a very strong signature look. In fact, it’s probably fair to say that the images this thing produces are quite unlike those produced by any other camera. Used in the right way the strong look of the Leica M8 can be harnessed to great benefit, but to harness the look it’s quite useful to understand a bit about the technology behind it.

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The crop factor factor

From a design point of view, the concept of a digital rangefinder posed a few problems that are actually still suffered by cameras even 10 years later. These problems were largely caused by the lens designs most commonly used on rangefinder cameras. Since rangefinders don’t have mirror boxes like SLR cameras do, the back focal distance of the lenses can be a lot shorter. This is one of the biggest advantages the rangefinder design has – it allows both the body of the camera and the lenses themselves to be smaller and the lenses higher quality too. The issue is, the short back focal distances of some rangefinder lenses can create an angle of light that is strongly oblique toward the edges of the frame. This isn’t an issue with film, but it does cause compatibility issues with normal digital sensors.

I talked about this in my recent Zeiss 28mm Biogon review. If you mount that lens on a Sony A7 series camera, the edges of the frame are soft and smeary. With some lenses the smeariness is only half the issue too. Heavy vignetting and strong colour shifts can also come into play with some lenses. This is because, despite the A7 series cameras having a short flange back distance, the sensors aren’t designed to be compatible with lenses with such short back focal distances (this is why don’t lenses are so much bigger than M mount lenses). This is a good illustration of the problem Leica were faced with when designing their first digital rangefinder. Many of the preexisting lenses that would be used on the cameras had short back focal distances, and since it would be such a disaster for the system if the older lenses weren’t compatible, it was the technology of the sensor that needed to be changed, not the lens designs.

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Increasing corner performance

If the problem of oblique light rays is greater the further toward the edges and corners of the sensor, one way to solve this is to make the sensor smaller than the full frame 24x36mm standard frame size of 35mm film. As mentioned the Leica M8 uses a 1.3x crop 27x18mm sensor. By effectively putting the corners of the frame closer to the centre of any given lenses image circle, the angle of light toward the edge of the frame isn’t as oblique and therefore doesn’t cause such serious issues. As mentioned above, this means lenses have different effective focal lengths when compared to the 35mm format they are used on, but the pay off is more consistent corners and edges.

Additionally to the smaller sensor, offset micro lenses were used in the sensors design. Micro lenses are tiny lenses that sit on the top of each photodiode on the sensor to direct the light toward the diode below. By offsetting these lenses to an increasing degree toward the edge of the frame, the problem of the oblique light rays was again reduced.

Thin OLPF (for corner sharpness)

To make things slightly more complicated, the size of the sensor and these offset micro lenses seemingly weren’t the only methods used to improve image quality into the corners of the frame. Leica also changed the design of the optical low pass filter or OLPF. The OLPF is a multi layered filter that sits on top of the surface of the sensor. The main purposes of this filter are to cut infrared as well as reducing problems with moire and aliasing. The issue is, the filter also compounds the effects of oblique light rays toward the edge of the frame. As I understand it, Leica reduced the thickness of the filter so as to reduce the impact it had on image quality into the corners.

An afternoon with the M8 and 28mm Biogon

The relevance of all of this is that whilst the decreased sensor size and micro lenses only benefited objective image quality, the changes to the OLPF came with both positive and negative side effects.

Thin OLPF (for odd colours)

Possibly one of the most commonly known oddities with the Leica M8 is its susceptibility to odd colour shifts due to its sensitivity to infrared light. Because the OLPF was made thinner, its effectiveness at cutting infrared light was reduced. The result of this is that subjects that reflect a lot of infrared light can be susceptible to colour shift. The two most obvious cases of this happening are in foliage which shifts toward yellow, and dark manmade material which shifts heavily toward magenta. Unfortunately, once you start noticing the colour shift you start seeing it in skin tones, and then eventually – at least in artificial light – almost everything.

IR cut filters

This was seemingly something that just slipped through the net at Leica before the camera was released. I don’t know the details really, but either Leica didn’t notice the colour shift or didn’t think it would matter in practice. Of course it did matter and there was a bit of uproar from early users of the camera. Leica’s response was to issue a couple infrared cut screw on lens filters with the purchase of a Leica M8. These filters help in natural light, but to my eye in low artificial light – and especially in situations with mixed white balance – colour response isn’t quite right regardless of whether or not a filter is used. That being said, largely speaking they do correct the problem – though of course they also introduce other potential for issues that come along with the use of any sort of filter – but that’s a story for another day.

I wrote a post comparing images with and without an IR filter here

Thin OLPF (for sharpness)

An arguably positive outcome of thinning the OLPF is an increase in sharpness. In today’s cameras where pixel counts have become so massive, and image processing so advanced, the antialiasing and anti-moire element of the OLPF in cameras has become pretty much redundant. As such, for the large part are we a now seeing cameras being released without these image softening filters. But this has not always been the case – back in the days of early digital cameras aliasing and moire were real issues.

Briefly, for the uninitiated, aliasing (in very simple terms) is were a solid straight edge becomes jagged due to visible square pixels (more on wiki) and moire is where close parallel straight lines can appear as unusual patterns (more on wiki). In early digital cameras part of the OLPF’s job was to slightly soften the image to reduce the potential for these issues.

By removing this image softening part of the Leica M8’s OLPF, Leica made a camera that at least at low ISO’s was capable of producing really very sharp images – especially of course when combined with Leica’s good quality lenses. There is more to this than just a sharp photo too, though I shall come back to that point a little later…

Family walk

What I have to wonder is which came first in all this. When Leica set out to make the M8, did they intend to make a camera that bucked the trends of the day and took exceptionally sharp images through its lack of antialiasing in the OLPF, or did it simply come as some sort of happy accident result of trying to solve the corner performance issues? Either way, the thin OLPF adds up to a big portion of what makes the look of the M8 unique.

The CCD

Of course many claim the use of a CCD is a big part of what creates the look of the images the Leica M8 creates. To my mind it’s nigh on impossible to pin any specific praise to the use of a CCD. I’ve even asked the question in a separate post here – have a read of it, and the comments below if you’re interested in the specifics of the CCD. I’m also really interested in more peoples thought on what part the CCD actually plays…

Low light/high ISO performance of the Leica M8

The final and possibly most negative thing spoken about with regard to the Leica M8 and its sensor is its low light capability. Read any single review of the Leica M8 on the Internet, especially ones that have been written in more recent times and you will invariably find words to the effect of “Takes great photos, but really only at low ISOs”. To be blunt, I find this perspective nothing short of myopic.

As a digital camera made in 2006 the problem the Leica M8 faces is one of comparison with every camera that’s come since. In terms of low light performance this can really make the M8 look quite poor. For example, if I were to put it up against my Sony A7r2 – at least by the standards high ISO performance is commonly judged – the M8 would lose quite profoundly. It’s no exaggeration to say that I’ve taken photos with the Sony at 12,800 ISO in low lit rooms and produced results that completely belie the low light in the room – in fact with that camera I can make a low lit room look quite a lot like a very well lit room with relative ease. I can and have shot the A7r2 in next to no light, and not even worried about letting the ISO creep up well into 5 figures. Short of zooming in to 100% noise is hardly visible at 12,800 ISO, and what noise there is doesn’t degrade the image to any level I’m even remotely uncomfortable with.

The Leica M8 on the other hand maxes out at 2500 ISO, and when shot that high, looks very noisy indeed. So that’s the end of the story then? The M8 is poor in low light compared to modern digital cameras, so it’s best not used for low light shooting!

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Well actually, let’s take a look at the two clauses in that sentence for a second. The first one “The Leica M8 is poor in low light when compared to modern digital cameras” is true – I can’t argue with the facts. But the second part – the part that seems so often touted in recent M8 reviews – “it’s best not used for low light shooting” makes some assumptions that I’m not entirely happy with. The first big assumption is that I want my low light photos to look like they were taken good light. The second assumption is that I want my low light photos to be clean of noise. Well, what if both of those assumptions are incorrect?

The wonderful thing about writing this blog is that I know my audience (at least my regular audience) is one made up largely of people with an interest in film photography. As film photographers we know there are limitations to our low light shooting possibilities. Our expectations are such that if we want to take photos in low light, we expect a compromise in terms of grain and resolving power. For example, if I want to shoot in low light with film, my first choice is to shoot Ilford HP5+ at ei3200 and push process it. The results, as I have shown many times on this blog at grainy, dark, and of course black and white. I don’t expect ultimate resolving power, and I don’t expect my photos to all of a sudden look like they were taken in good light.

Digital photographers on the other hand seem to have had their expectations adjusted by possibility. Camera manufactures have sold us the dream of clean low light shooting, and we have bought into it wholesale. In fact, I’d argue, we’ve almost been tricked into thinking it’s something we need. Now, I’m not stupid enough to argue that now the expectations have be sold and bought, we should go back to a time when digital cameras performance was less “good” in low light. These modern cameras have changed the expectations of both the photographer and the eventual viewer of photos. This is especially true in professional fields of photography such as wedding and event photography where absurdly low light reportage photography without the use of flash has become commonplace. Both photographer and client have grown to expect cleaner low light photography. But if you take a step back and look at what’s happened, it’s the technology that’s shifted this expectation very gradually over the last 10 or so years.

My point is though, in that same 10 years, expectations from film hasn’t changed. We as film photographers no more expect to be able to take clean grainless photos in next to no light any more than we did a decade ago. Which brings me slightly long-windedly to what I have to say about the Leica M8. If you as a digital photographer forget your digital expectations and impose your expectations as a film photographer on to the digital M8, then all of a sudden it’s low light performance is a lot easier to swallow.

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Now don’t mistake this for me telling you the Leica M8 is a good camera for shooting low light. It’s not, in fact colour results shot at 2500 ISO with the camera aiming for an 18% grey average exposure look, well, shit, and I’m not for one second going to try and convince you otherwise. But, what I am going to try and convince you of is that given film like expectations, it is possible to obtain results that whilst far from objectively perfect, can be quite pleasing.

The photos in this section of my review were taken in a low lit pub, where were I shooting film I would have shot HP5 at ei3200 and pushed it. I’d have expected – as I did last time I went on a similar night out earlier this year – to get results that were dark, grainy and of course black and white. So, when taking the Leica M8 out, I went out with the exact same expectations… And guess what, I got what I expected.

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None of these photos are going to win any prizes for their objective quality. I’m under no illusions that they are perfect, in fact I’m not even going to try and argue that the results I’ve got are even close to as good as what I would have got had I shot HP5+ in the manner described above. But, am I happy with them? Well, yes actually I am. They capture the low lit environment and atmosphere of the evening rather well I think. The grain, and the banding of grain that is visible in the unprocessed colour versions of the photos was easy enough to handle with some pretty basic post processing. I didn’t even have to apply noise reduction beyond what LR does as standard upon import. The noise produced by the Leica M8 is sufficiently film-like not to bother me too much, and once dropped into shadow it becomes less intrusive anyway.

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In summary, the Leica M8 is pretty crap in low light, but only if you compare it to more modern cameras. But really, why make that comparison? If instead you just key your expectations to be closer that of a film shooting experience, and work within the limitations the camera imposes it’s much less disappointing.

The photos – getting the most out of the Leica M8

I’ve come to the conclusion through my experience of taking over a 1000 photos with the Leica M8, having read a lot of reviews, spoken to a good few people and looked at a lot of images, that there are four approaches to finding happiness shooting it:

The limited approach

This is probably the most attractive approach to shooting the Leica M8 for me. As I’ve already mentioned us rangefinder photographers aren’t fussed about the imposition of limitations. The M8 perhaps poses a few more than even some of us would be comfortable with, but abide them or at least work within them and the results can be wonderful.

What I think is quite interesting is that the set of limitations isn’t that far removed from the ones I work with when I shoot film. For example, with film you have to be more careful when considering the light you are shooting in. A roll of Portra 400 shot in my living room with a bit of outside day light and a bit of artificial light, or even just shot in low artificial light can look pretty bloody horrible. Yet shoot Portra 400 in sunny day light and it looks beautiful. This is the same for the Leica M8. Results indoors in even slightly poor light can just look a bit odd

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As with film, with the Leica M8 an easy response to this is to shoot for black and white in these circumstances. Black and white conversion hides a wealth of sins in terms of issues with colour but also looks nicer with the higher noise the M8 kicks out.

An evening at home - With a Leica M8

The real beauty of the Leica M8 comes though when shooting it in good light. The sense of sharpness from the 10mp sensor without any antialiasing is really quite impressive. But beyond being objectively impressive, the results have a look that I supposed is best described as “real” looking; perhaps three dimensional. Not having experienced the Leica M8 at the time, I first noticed this look in results from a Ricoh GR. These cameras also lack antialiasing filters and take really real looking images because of it.

An afternoon with the M8 and 28mm Biogon

Outdoors in daylight, the affect of the lack of infrared filter is hardly noticeable, and quite easy to deal with where it does have an impact. That being said, where there is an impact, sometimes dealing with it doesn’t seem necessary. The yellow shift in foliage doesn’t actually make anything look a false colour, it just adds a warmth that I think can be played upon.

Last outing with the Leica M8

What really surprised me though was finding joy in embracing the limited range of ISOs. 320iso is the closest to the usual 400 I usually shoot, so a lot of the time not going above that didn’t feel an issue. It also resulted in me getting shots that with any other digital camera would have looked very different. This shot for example I likely would have used a higher ISO and exposed more for the foreground, this didn’t even cross my mind with the Leica M8 in the way it wouldn’t with a film camera.

An afternoon with the M8 and 28mm Biogon

The black & white approach

There is no doubting – as you will repeated ad nauseam if you search online about the Leica M8 – that this camera makes for a great black & white photo. Be this down to the lack of infrared cut, some mystical power of the CCD sensor, a combination of both, or something else altogether, it is hard to deny great black and white results are easy to achieve.

I don’t think it quite has the super power of just allowing you to click the convert to black and white button as many claim, but it certainly seems very easy to get really nice black and white images without having to spend an age in post process software. This is definitely a bonus of you’re not a fan of spending ages in front of a computer.

An evening at home - With a Leica M8

An evening at home - With a Leica M8

An evening at home - With a Leica M8

The post process approach

That being said, whilst I’m not hugely into strongly post processing my images, if you are happy to push your files to the limits, you can of course get wonderful results. Provided you know what you are doing… As an example of this, I thought I’d show you some photos created by a chap I know – a very good photographer in fact. Chris Mann is his name, he’s a pro portrait photographer by day, but the rest of the time he has a style that I find I can’t get enough of.

You might say that these sorts of results are obtainable with any half decent digital camera, and I guess you’d be right really. But Chris – now a Leica SL shooter – swears that the Leica M8 was one of the most enjoyable cameras to shoot with and gave results that he found really easy to manipulate into the sorts of results he shared with me for the benefit of this post:

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He’s good isn’t he?!! Thanks for sharing those Chris!!

The technical approach

This is where things get a little outside of the realms of what I can be bothered with. But just because I can’t be bothered, doesn’t mean others won’t be able to.

If you really want to get the objective most out of a Leica M8, you can use a bit of software called M8RAW2DNG. One of the issues with the M8’s files is that they are over compressed DNGs. By typing in some sort of magic code to the buttons on the back you can unlock the M8’s uncompressed RAW files. The problem is, no mass market software can read them. M8RAW2DNG allows these files to be read and unlike the compressed DNGs which don’t have much latitude for adjustment in photo editing software, these files can be pushed and pulled and played with to a more more significant degree.

Here’s a link to a little guide written by Brian Sweeney. As I say, I don’t have the patience to spend that time in front of a computer, but assuming you are more happy to, the increased potential for the Leica M8 is quite incredible really.

Why I now shoot an M9

Before I conclude, I just want to touch on why I personally switched to the Leica M9. For me, the experience of shooting the M8 has – on a personal level – been really quite enjoyable. In the time I’ve had it, it has cemented a suspicion I had about the concept of a rangefinder being as big a part of my attraction to the film M cameras as the use of film itself. It’s also encouraged me to finally take the step to buy an M9, something I feel like I’ve been thinking about for a fair few years now.

This of course raises the question of why did I feel the need to go for an M9 over the M8. Well it’s simple really, it just came down to the size of the sensor. For many, the smaller sensor of the M8 will bring gains in effective depth of field per focal length, or just not be an issue at all. But for me, not having my beloved 50mm Sonnar not work as a 50mm lens was just too big a compromise to swallow. Had the M8 a full frame sensor, I know I would be perfectly satisfied with it.

A few more photos of mine…

Family snaps with the Leica M8

Family snaps with the Leica M8

Family snaps with the Leica M8

Family snaps

An afternoon with the M8 and 28mm Biogon

Leica m8 and 28mm ZM biogon

Last outing with the Leica M8

M8 Snap

M8 Snap

Conclusions (Skip to the end)

I must admit, I’ve found writing this review quite difficult. My experience is one thing, but the part where I do a bit of research and read about what others think has been unusually tortuous. Firstly, finding genuine information about it that isn’t wrapped up in hearsay about the unfathomable super powers of a CCD is nigh on impossible. Beyond that, whilst many of the commentators on the camera seem to have very strong opinions about it, a large percentage of these read as regurgitated rather than from actual experience.

Those who do have experience – at least those with a positive view – also now tend to take the “It’s still a viable camera, even 10 years since it was introduced” perspective. I must say find little frustrating and representative of a take on technology that bothers me in an ever wasteful world – especially when pretty much any high end digital camera from the last 10 years is likely to be perfectly viable in the right hands given the right circumstances. “Perfectly viable” is just a given to me, and not a headline!

Of course, what separates this camera from all of the other 10 year old digital camera is that its a Leica, and as such, it’s worth a few more quid than your average 10 year old Nikon. Combine this inflated value with the fact that it’s quite a unique bit of kit and you find yourself with a whole load of divided opinions. These divided opinions and the arguments that come out of them seem to have created mountains out of molehills when it comes to the pros and cons of both image quality and its usability as a camera.

Now, I’m not going argue that the images it creates aren’t quite strongly definable, and in some regards are not as objectively good as you might expect from a later camera. You can’t expect perfection in low light, and you can expect odd colours once in a while. But with these pitfalls comes wonderfully sharp, real looking images. As such, to my mind the pros simply balance out the cons. In use, I’ve found that if you set your expectations right and let this camera’s foibles guide or become a part of your choices when it comes to your post process, you can readily find the outcome is something that suits just fine.

It’s also very hard to argue with oft quoted usability short comings such as the the fact that the screen is shit, and the shutter advance is a little noisy. What I would argue though, is that these issues really aren’t insurmountable to the sort of person who’d be looking to shoot one of these cameras. For those wishing to shoot a rangefinder camera, in the way a rangefinder camera works and feels, who don’t have the budget for an M9 or one of the later models, but also want the immediacy of digital, the M8 is a perfectly viable camera.

None of this is ever likely to be understood by those with a penchant for exploring coal mines with their portable bucking broncos, or those who just can’t figure the concept of a rangefinder – but so be it. I’d argue until I’m blue in the face that those who deride the M8 simply don’t understand the motives and goals of those who find cameras like these work so well for them.

For me this is ultimately the main attraction to the Leica M8. I am a rangefinder photographer, and for all its foibles, a rangefinder is what the M8 remains… and for many, that alone will be enough to let the Leica M8 shine in the way it has for me!

Thanks for reading,

Hamish

You can find even more of my photos taken with the M8 here
And here you can find in depth review from the late Michael Reichmann
Another interesting review from Joeri Van Der Kloet


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42 Comments

  • Reply
    Blinx
    August 22, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    Leica’s reputation was built on the optical qualities of its lenses, and the engineering of its film camera bodies. Those qualities are more or less permanent. In the digital era Leica’s technical capabilities are in the hands of third parties, and those are fleeting values, leaving only the traditions of feel and optical excellence. For some people those alone are sufficient to pay a brand premium, for others less so. I think you make a good case for buying a used Leica, as secondary depreciation is lower than any other make, and the output capable of fulfilling many photographer’s expectations.

    New Leica prices are sufficiently high to render them “dentist’s cameras” and the preserve of the very well heeled, and are not without their flaws. Fortunately their owners can afford to move onto the newest and brightest thing, leaving their left overs to the rest of us.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 8:07 am

      This is an interesting point – though it makes me wonder how you feel about cameras like the SL

  • Reply
    Christos Theofilogiannakos
    August 22, 2016 at 2:02 pm

    Excellent writing as always Hamish, esp. that one about shooting a black cat in the coalmine on a bucking bronco (still loughing) and the IIIa and M3 in the cupboard laughing at the face of the M8 for longevity. I don’t have a film Leica (M or screwmount) and probably I will never be able to afford one (although your articles have hepled me form the fantasy of getting a M2 with a 2.0/35 lens sometime in the future), but I am one of those people that you mention in your article, the ones that think a digital Leica rangefinder is nonsense, or just a fancy, expensive gadget for rich people. Looking at your photos taken with the M8, I must admit that they are perhaps the least “digital” images I’ve seen from a digital camera, esp. those converted to B&W which have a real film-like quality (I am completely clueless when it comes to sensor technology, so I guess it’s due to the CCD sensor?) which brings me to the central question that formed in my mind while reading the article: Why bother with a costly, used (and presumably not as long-living or serviceable) camera whose main advantage is the fact that its output resembles that achieved with a film M-Leica when you can buy and use the real thing? Certainly if someone can afford a M8 (even a used one) and if they ‘re a dedicated enough photographer to actually appreciate and consciously choose to shoot with a M-Leica the extra cost and trouble of buying and developing / scanning film (or having it done by a third party) shouldn’t really be a decisive factor in my opinion, let alone the crop sensor factor which greatly affects useability of the lenses by altering their effective focal length.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 8:12 am

      As someone who now shoots both film and digital with a Leica, it just comes down to enjoying the process of a rangefinder, but sometimes wanting the immediacy of digital. Quite often when I go out with the kids I take photos of them and just want to see them straight away – a different type or goal of photography breeds the desire for a different approach… I can’t really explain it, but thats just how I feel

  • Reply
    Kevin Ho
    August 22, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    Excellent review. The POV of this review from someone whose spent an enormous amount of time with the camera and as well as having that film background, brings into light the positives of the M8.

    This review could have come it 10 years ago and still be relevant.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 8:12 am

      Thanks Kevin – that was very mush my goal. Hopefully it will still be relevant in 10 years too

  • Reply
    Blinx
    August 22, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    I also enjoyed the review. I may be being hypercritical, but do I detect banding on some of the shots? That would concern me more than high ISO noise. FWIW my pick for a cheap classic would be the Fuji X-Pro1, you can pick up a good used for around £250 or so.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 22, 2016 at 3:47 pm

      Oh yeah, loads of banding at high ISOs – You can reduce it using the info in Brian Sweeney’s guide… Or over post process! 🙂
      I don’t like the xpro – I know I am quite alone in this view, but the images from fujis look plastic to me.

      • Reply
        Blinx
        August 22, 2016 at 4:51 pm

        I haven’t found Fuji to be any more artificial than other digital cameras, though there’s certainly a problem processing X-Trans RAFs in Lightroom and some other popular software, leading to the “watercolour effect”. It’s said that the Mk1 sensor is more film-like than subsequent X-Trans versions, but like the CCD cult the internet is full of such opinions. There’s a more general issue with in camera digital processing which tries to remove anything that resembles an artefact, and this tendency increases all the time. Anyone used to film grain expects a certain abstraction and texture to their shots, and that’s almost completely lacking in modern digital cameras. It’s the reason why I prefer my old Canon DSLR to the Fuji for monochrome, the X-Pro1 is too successful at removing glitches. The M8 exhibits a similar period feel which film people respond to, but the banding is a bit too photocopier for my taste.

        Having spent a long weekend removing dust and hairs from 12 rolls of colour negative scans, digital’s appeal has increased somewhat!

        • Reply
          Ken Hindle-May
          August 23, 2016 at 9:17 am

          This reminds me of a review of a smaller sensor Fuji compact (might have been the XQ1), where the reviewer noted that its noise reduction was so zealous it would smooth all the wrinkles off faces in low light.

  • Reply
    Mitch Zeissler
    August 22, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    Good post as always, Hamish.

    My own digital experience has been tortuous and prohibitively expensive, especially when figuring Leica digital products into the mix. If I had to do it all over again, I would skip digital altogether and focus my efforts and funds instead on improving my analog skills.

    Does Leica build utterly superb and dependable film cameras? Yes, with the M7 being the lesser of them in my experience (mine is currently with DAG having the shutter mechanism being repaired). Does Leica build utterly superb and dependable digital cameras? Well… They are certainly heavy in the hand, but my experience with the M240 was terrible, especially considering how expensive it was (constant lock-ups that required the battery to be pulled before the camera would operate again; sensor that was the biggest dust magnet of any digital camera I’ve ever used, crappy LiveView module, etc.). My experience with their D-LUX line is far better, but then they don’t actually produce those.

    My experience with Sony gear has been somewhat rocky as well; my brand-new a7 failed three days after opening it as a Christmas gift and it took over 6 weeks to get it repaired. As a result, I promptly sold it and have never gone back to the a7 series, staying instead with their APS-C and Cyber-shot product lines. But like you, I found that anything less than full frame with my favorite M-mount lenses was not acceptable… so to film I have returned, at least for the bulk of my shooting. And I’m a lot happier now because of it.

    One observation about digital; the gear is only relevant and viable as long as it can be repaired. I’ve been reading recently that a lot of folks are discovering their digital gear can no longer be serviced past the 3-to-5 year mark due to a lack of parts from the manufacturer. Does that also apply to Leica? I honestly don’t know, though I suspect their digital parts inventory is closely guarded information. And I know for a fact that the techs like DAG that keep our Leica film bodies going for decades after production can’t touch the digital gear, so it’s back to the dealer with all the broken digital bodies.

    • Reply
      Christos Theofilogiannakos
      August 23, 2016 at 6:32 am

      My thoughts exactly. If you were allowed to own only one M-Leica in your lifetime, would you ever choose a digital over a film one?

      • Reply
        Ric Capucho
        August 24, 2016 at 7:28 pm

        Exactly that! Christos, you’re my hero. Ric

    • Reply
      Terry B
      August 24, 2016 at 5:37 pm

      Mitch, the longevity issue can apply to the M8. If the rear screen breaks or packs up, that’s a scuppered M8 as Leica don’t have any spares.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 8:16 am

      Repaired, or replaced… With the cost of second hand gear dropping so quickly, it only takes a few years for most second hand high end gear to become affordable enough to replace, at least to a certain degree. Not that any of that makes me particularly comfortable saying, but it is the case nonetheless … … and in fact, wouldn’t the world be a better place if all cameras were used until they died, rather than being used then mothballed

  • Reply
    Ned
    August 22, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    Hi Hamish,
    As always a very honest, pragmatic review.
    I like reviews that plough their own furrows, questioning current, commonly held “truths”.
    It has cleared up one thing for me, muddied the waters for another!
    My lens has to be the Sonnar, that’s clear. Your photos on Flickr just sing.
    Not that I class myself in the same league as you, but I can only build on solid foundations.
    Unfortunately, the review has left me questioning my “want” for an M8/M8.2/whatever.
    I suspect that my enjoyment wil be best served by matching that lens with a film M.
    Oh well, at least I am now half way to determining my ideal camera/lens combo.
    Cheers
    Ned

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 8:21 am

      Thanks Ned, I can’t rally help there, given my experience of the digital M… but would encourage you to buy a film M to go with the Sonnar. Its a great lens on digital, but I do think film is its logical partner

  • Reply
    jim
    August 23, 2016 at 3:18 am

    Hamish, enjoyed the article. The M8 got such a bad rap interesting to see it become a cult camera.

    Always a bit of luck with any device. My M-E was trouble free for two years I owned it before going to the M262. An acquaintance has an M8.2 he purchased new in 2008. As of January 2016 his M8.2 was still in action with 103,708 shutter activations.

    FWIW, from Stefan Daniel, Director Product Management for Leica in 2012:

    For the M9 as for all our products, we are taking measures that we are able to service the camera for a period of at least ten years after production will stop. In the case that (especially electronic-) parts are no longer available, we will offer an upgrade program. As you know, we have quite a history of being able to service our products for a period much longer than that!

    http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/forums/threads/non-availability-of-replacement-lcd-screens-for-m8.101798/

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 8:31 am

      I’ve read that before – they are certainly faced with problems caused by working with 3rd parties…

  • Reply
    Finn Calander
    August 23, 2016 at 7:08 am

    Dear Hamish,
    I very much like your views on cameras and technology in general, and on the M8/M9 in particular. I shoot with the M(9) Monochrom, and find the crappy screen just perfect – chimping is meaningless but you can check histograms, battery and card status and do some rudimentary settings with it. The continous shooting mode is 2 frames/second – perfect, just about what I managed to do with my Nikon F2. In short, the Monochrom is very close to shooting film. I also shoot with a Nikon D300 (state of the DSLR art in 2006). It still works fine and delivers perfectly as long as you do not shoot above ISO 1600 (colour; 3200 b/w). My Panasonic Lumix LX3 – still going strong, just like my Fuji X100. All of these cameras, with the exeption of the D300, have their quirks, but those are part of their charm and what makes them fun to shoot with. Just like you write, you may lose some shots but those that you get right are well worth it.
    Best regards, Finn Calander

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 9:01 am

      *fingers in ears* lalalalalaaa … Can’t read stuff about the monochrom … (gas)
      Interestingly, I have onwed all the other digitals you have… maybe its a sign!

  • Reply
    Ken Hindle-May
    August 23, 2016 at 10:05 am

    Some interesting points made, there. I’d never really thought about it before but while digital noise in colour tends to look unsightly, it is vastly improved by converting to black and white, giving a film-esque quality ( to the untrained eye) that can be quite pleasing. It makes you wonder how many elderly digital cams would make cheap and able monochrome shooters.

    The wider point regarding the value of older digital gear is also extremely valid. I feel like a lot of photographers delight in diving into the technological arms race, not all of whom are entirely honest with themselves about the real potential benefit to their photography. Outside golden eras of innovation, camera development tends to bog down while manufacturers make fussier cameras packed with more and more features of dubious utility. In light of that, it should make more sense to upgrade periodically rather than every year or two. That way, you’re in a better position to sort the wheat from the chaff and spend your money wisely. My Canon 30D was ten years old when I sold it earlier this year. It still handled really well and was capable of taking great photos when paired with decent glass, but I found myself bumping against the limitations of its poor high ISO performance and relatively small sensor size more and more. I wonder how many people are really, truly hitting the limitations of their gear before trading up. Not many, I’d wager. My philosophy has always been “okay, you spend £1,000 on gear, I’ll take 1,000 photos and let’s see whose photography is better at the end of it.” Working on composition and making sure your backgrounds are clean will make much more difference than being able to shoot 14 frames per second or having 216 focus zones. Sure, things like that might mean you get the 1 shot in 100 the guy with three year old gear doesn’t get, but what you’re doing with the other 99 shots is going to matter more.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 9:04 am

      “Not all of whom are entirely honest with themselves about the real potential benefit to their photography.” – Aint that the truth!

  • Reply
    Float
    August 23, 2016 at 11:33 am

    I shot an m8 for some time. It is a fantastic camera to shoot with and there is something truly special about its files. I know that is a cliche thing to say but I none of my photos from any of my other digital cameras, including my other digital rangefinders, look anything like my M8 photos.

    Yes, it does suck at low light. You are stuck doing at iso 640 what most other cameras of the period could do at iso 1600. That is ultimately why I sold it in favor of an Epson RD1 because that camera could produce usable files at 1600, was quieter and was generally more fun to shoot.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 9:05 am

      I really regret selling my RD1

  • Reply
    Brian Sweeney
    August 23, 2016 at 11:41 am

    Great review- the M8 is a fun camera. I kept mine after getting the M9 and M Monochrom. The M8 can give some very unique Color-IR images, I need to write up some documentation using Lightroom to do what my software does- written in FORTRAN…

    With regard to the banding in the High-ISO images: that is caused by the lossy DNG-8 compression scheme used by the M8. It reduces the 16384 levels of light output by the sensor into 256 levels. The banding is caused by the jump in levels, almost like a contour map. Use M8RAW2DNG and post process for High-ISO equivalent.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/90768661@N02/albums/72157650387979520

    I’ve shot the M8 and (original) M Monochrom side-by-side. If Leica had used lossless DNG with the M8, no one would have complained about Low-ISO performance.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      August 25, 2016 at 9:06 am

      Why did they compress? File size vs available card size at the time?

      • Reply
        Terry B
        August 26, 2016 at 1:02 pm

        Hamish, I doubt it has anything to do with card capacities at the time. Multi-gb cards were readily available. And I doubt that anyone who could have afforded the M8 upon its release would have had cost of them as a consideration.

        Both my Sony R1 and Panasonic LC-10, both 10MP models, and which one could call contemporaneous with the M8, both have RAW and jpeg files larger than the M8 but flush the images faster. So this seems to refute an idea I had that it would lead to faster flushing times for the M8. Could it therefore suggest that back then Leica didn’t have access to the best in digital camera electronics, or implementation thereof?

      • Reply
        Brian Sweeney
        August 26, 2016 at 9:04 pm

        I believe it was the file write times going to the SD card. I don’t understand why a lossless scheme was not used- just not that hard. I’ve used very fast lossless compression schemes that stores the difference between pixels rather than the entire pixel. A full value is stored at the beginning of each scan line, followed by the 8-bit difference using -126 through 127 for encoding. -127 (FFx) used to signal a new reference pixel in the event that the actual value cannot be stored. Worked well in 1983.

        I’ve read that the M8 development was done at a frantic rate as most other manufacturers went to digital. I’ve also read that the M8 saved Leica from bankruptcy. One thing for certain: prices of used lenses in Leica mount skyrocketed with the M8. Enough so that selling lenses paid for my M9 and M Monochrom.

  • Reply
    Sadiq H Sayed
    August 28, 2016 at 1:28 am

    Leica camera and Leica lenses are legend from day one to today. I had visited Photokina 2014 and had privelege to visit Leica stall and join the 100th year celebrations. It is my best life long memory.
    I am useing Leica lens with Linux cameras.
    This way I remain in touch with Leica for ever.

  • Reply
    Erica
    August 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    A good review and opinion piece. But as someone else alluded to… spending ~$1300 on a Leica M8 now is…

    Well, let me put it like this. The five year survival rate of a $1300 M8, is likely to be lower than the five year survival rate of an RD-1, an EOS 5D, or an X-Pro 1, which cost.. ~$600, ~$450 and ~$300 respectively. Statistically speaking.

    Great, if you’ve got the cash to blow on it, why not. But if you can justify throwing away that much cash, you can probably afford an M9 with a brand new sensor, or afford to shoot film on a freshly cleaned black M4.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      September 1, 2016 at 7:45 pm

      My mate Ben who bought the M8 from me sold his xpro1 and lenses to buy it – he couldn’t justify a m9, but wanted a Leica RF

  • Reply
    George Appletree
    September 1, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    I think it’s the best article about Leica (M8) I have even read.
    Nearly fully unattached of the so common preconceptions when talking about that brand.
    Just a comment, shall we use the M8 as if being a film camera?
    In my opinion it does what it does, no need expecting what we should from film.
    I fully agree all your words about the technological impact in our needs of settings, iso, etc which makes us missing what we don’t have when using this camera.
    Excellent, thankyou

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      September 1, 2016 at 7:47 pm

      Hi George, glad you liked it!
      I suppose as you say, it’s less a film camera, but more a just simple camera. That’s the point I wanted to get across with the title I think.

  • Reply
    George Appletree
    September 2, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    I really liked it, Hamish.
    It’s well documented and lack of Leica sentimentality.
    It’s a digital camera. Nothing else, nothing less. Well buit and able to make you forgetting about all what is not to take a photograph.
    Sensor cleaning was my absurd fight… actually fully annoying stuff. I won that war.

  • Reply
    francois hall
    October 18, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    A very nice piece, and lovey photos! I too love the M8, and have been considering the m9 because of the crop factor – however, I do find there are a couple of advantages to the M8 over any other leica camera – even the later ones. I am lucky enough to have purchased a used 1980’s Noctilux, and it has been glued to the M8. The crop factor is a positive, since the corners normally darken off (vignette) on a full frame and the problem is resilved on a crop factor. I use a magnifier in the eyepiece to help focus it increases the central focus box. The other positive is the 8000th shutter speed, which combined with 160 ISO I am able to shoot at f1 in daylight (a quick addition of a neutral density sometimes, but if I need to use a cut out filter anyway, what’s another…). Also, something I must mention, and no-one seems to comment on is the histogram software. Leica must be the only company that employs such a great system. T check the photo, you do not need to see the image properly, just look at the histogram, and the software allows you to zoom into specific areas, such as the dark areas or highlights, and the histogram will only give a reading for that particular area – unlike NIkon that constantly shows a general reading. This is great to check the exposure has a good range.
    So, yes, I would love a full frame, but could not justify the addition cost for such a luxury. A Sony A7II may be a nice companion to give full frame, live view and close focus on the noctilux – and even video with it… but I would keep the M8 … as Leica have always said, a Leica camera lasts a lifetime (well, perhaps this is more applicable to film cameras, the rate they are releasing cameras these days!)

  • Reply
    Mario K.
    November 6, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    Nice review Hamish.

    I’ve just a bought an M8 a few months ago and I’m loving it so far; the IQ is just met my expectation from a Leica camera. I’ve been a loyal Canon 5D’s shooter for many years but since I’ve been wanting to own a Leica for sometimes and I wasn’t really happy with my 5D mk II for portraits so then I sold it to get an M8 and I didn’t regret this to be honest. Though I’m still keeping my 5D classic because to my eyes it’s a very good camera for shooting portraits compared to other Canon DSLR cameras.

    I don’t have anything to complain about my M8; I use it mainly for B&W images, I want to get that classic and Leica look images which other cameras can’t produce, and I don’t need the gizmo. So if you know what to shoot you won’t be bother with all the cons.

    For those who wants to enter to Leica heritage without breaking much of your wallet as a start, a used M8 and pairing it with a non Leica lens e.g. vintage Canon and Jupiter RF lens in M39 mount can still produce decent results; you just need to buy a M39 to M adapter to use it with your M8. My recommendation is to use a fast lens (faster than f/2.8) for better contrast and to get that 3D (pop-up) look.

    • Reply
      Hamish Gill
      November 7, 2016 at 7:11 am

      Thanks for your addition Mario! So you’re a classic digital photographer then really?! I had a 5d for a little while, they are a lot of camera for the money these days!

      • Reply
        Mario K.
        November 7, 2016 at 5:20 pm

        Yes, you’re right Hamish 🙂

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    Stephen Porter
    February 18, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    Your opening remarks about upgrades etc are very valid and excellently put. I’m aiming to move into the Leica world very soon but ’til now I have survived very capably with my Nikon d7000 & Ricoh GR II. According to many websites (if not most), both of these cameras have been made ‘obsolete’. What total, infuriating rubbish that is! For these reasons I’m looking at the M8 for some of its quirkier aspects, like the very specific image quality it renders. Great article then and very inspiring in a time of technological rat-racery.

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      Hamish Gill
      February 19, 2017 at 9:52 am

      Thanks Stephen. The craziest thing for me is that this sort of idea isn’t more widely accepted. The m8 is quite extreme really, as in many ways it has been improved upon, but the amount of digital cameras out there that are far more than adequate for people’s needs at a fraction of new costs… well it belies belief really…
      anyway, glad you liked the post! 🙂

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    Richard Alton
    March 18, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    A fascinating post, Hamish. For years I’ve used a Leica M3 with a 50mm Summicron lens. Having bought a used M8 in 2014, I didn’t use it much until I moved to Zambia. With processing awkward, but light plentiful in Zambia, the M8 has been a revelation. I recently started playing with the free Nik software, which I love. I’ve no plans to ‘upgrade’ to a later body.

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