Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

By Hamish Gill

The Voigtlander f/3.5 50mm VM Heliar is a unusual lens that appears to me to have a fairly quiet, but almost invariably positive reputation. There isn’t a huge amount written about this lens online, nor in fact its collapsible predecessors, but what is out there talks of an optic that’s up there with the highest quality lenses ever produced in Leica ltm or m-mount.

Funnily enough, this wasn’t what encouraged me to try one. What did was being contacted on Instagram by someone with one of the older f/2 versions suggesting that if I was a fan of the 3D rendering I get from my Zeiss 50mm ZM Sonnar, I should also try a Voigtlander Heliar. This planted a seed in my head that eventually saw me getting in touch with the UK Voigtlander distributor, Flaghead photographic. I enquired about borrowing a lens, and sure enough Hardy got back to me saying he’d be very happy to loan me a lens for a couple of weeks for review. Actually, the conversation with Hardy unraveled into a few more interesting opportunities, but more on that later…

A bit of background on the Heliar formula

The Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar is, as I’ve alluded to, a remake of a previous Voigtlander lens. In 2001 Voigtlander released a 101 year anniversary 50mm f/3.5 thread mount collapsible lens. The Heliar lens design dates back to 1900 when it was designed by Hans Harting of Voigtlander; hence the 101 year anniversary. The lens formula itself is a 5 element in 3 group formula that went on to be adopted by a few other manufacturers with various different names. None of this is particularly unusual or even interesting until you start digging around in forums and reading people’s various views about these lenses.

For one reason or another this lens formula seems to have a bit of a mystique surrounding it. In its more common larger format guise, it seems they demand somewhat of a premium on the used market. Looking around in forums led me to comments about how nice the transition to the out of focus rendering is, and how this was one of the main desirable features of the lens even in a time before that damned Bokeh word was coined. I also discovered references to the fact that prior to the Voigtlander 101 year Heliar, the only smaller format Heliar formula based lens was a 58mm f/2.4 Pentax lens from the middle of last century – a lens that also seems to have a positive reputation of its own, all be not necessarily for its sharpness.

The above is a much abridged version of of what the World Wide Web will provide you with if you choose to do your own digging about. But, what I simply wanted to highlight was that this lens – as a true Heliar formula lens – is based on a design that comes with a bit of built in credibility. It is also close to unique in small format lenses, and indeed entirely unique in m-mount lenses.

Pre-loaded positivity

On top of this, as mentioned there are a few references out there to previously published reviews that are very positive indeed. On the Cameraquest page about the earlier 101 year version there is reference to a review written in 2002 by popular photography magazine claiming it to be the sharpest lens they’d tested, and indeed that they doubted it could be bettered. I’ve also found references to an Erwin Puts review where he supposedly concluded that no lens, even from Leica, was as sharp. As mentioned, I wouldn’t have picked up a lens solely on these types of comments – I’m not really an ultimate sharpness kinda guy. But these comments combined with the mystique and uniqueness of the Heliar formula do give an idea of what one might expect from this lens… Though of course, the proof is in the pudding.

50mm VM Heliar image quality review

With 50mm VM Heliar in my hand for the first time, being faced with the information I’d read, my usual goals for testing the lens went a little out of the window. Ordinarily when testing a lens I’m looking to just take photos. I just want to see the impact of the lens without having too many pre-loaded ideas about what it might produce within my photos. With this lens my first gut reaction was to see just how sharp it was on some of my higher resolution digital cameras – which is quite unusual for me.

Sharpness

What I discovered was that 50mm VM Heliar is indeed sharp. I’m not going to labour this point in terms of going into corner performance, or detailing at what aperture it is the sharpest – as regular readers will know, this just isn’t the sort of testing that interests me. I did take a few “test” type shots (nothing I will post here) and in that process I found it to appear to be as sharp as my Sony 50mm f/1.8 FE Sonnar, a lens that is known for being very sharp indeed.

Spetchley Park Gardens

A sharpness caveat in 2017

Of course, there are many exceptionally “sharp” modern lenses that simply weren’t around in the early 2000’s when Popular photography did their review – my Sony for one, the Sigma 50mm Art, the Zeiss Otus, the Leica apo-‘cron to name a few whose reputation in this area precedes them. But, it would be very tedious to closely examine just how well the 50mm f3.5 VM Heliar stacks up against them at various apertures. It would also be quite hard seeing as I only own one of the above mentioned lenses and have have no interest in trying any of the others. Let me just say, I suspect in terms of resolving power it would do very well if put up against those lenses – but really, who cares?

The point I wanted to make here is simply that times have moved on in the 15 odd years since Popular Photography said what they did. Yes the 50mm VM Heliar is very “sharp” – even wide open – but being as it’s an f/3.5 lens, and there are now lenses that open up much wider and are just as “sharp”, it’s sharpness in the modern landscape of immense digital lenses is probably less impressive than it was back then. Of course, that’s not to denigrate what it’s capable of, just more to provide a bit of context to the conversation as it stands in 2017!

Spetchley Park Gardens

Theres more to sharpness than sharpness

That all said, I think it is also very much worth pointing out that there is more to sharpness than sharpness. Sharpness is an interesting subject – as actually the feel of sharpness is derived from different lens character traits. I talk about this a bit more here if you are interested, but the short version for the sake of this review is to think of sharpness as something that is derived from both contrast and resolution. Because of this, a sharp image can be flat feeling – this tends to come from lenses with less contrast, but more resolution. Sharpness can also be contrasty, but lack fine detail. The ZM Sonnar is a lens that uses that fact to great advantage – it doesn’t have the resolving power of some lenses, especially wide open, but makes up for it with acres of contrast.

The 50mm VM Heliar’s Organic Character

The 50mm VM Heliar is different – with this lens sharpness feels organic. I know thats such a vague word, but I can’t think of a better one to use. Quite simply, this lens seems to marry a whole heap of both contrast and resolving power, yet does it in a way that it doesn’t feel clinical in the way a lot of modern lenses seem to do. The outcome of this, to me at least, is something really quite special – the photos it takes just feel realistic in their rendering!

An easy to see example

I really dislike testing lenses for “sharpness”. I hate the feeling that comes from importing an image into Lightroom and looking as closely as possible to examine just how much detail has been resolved. There’s a real feeling of emptiness that comes from having taken a photo just to look at that sort of thing. I’m pretty certain this is just because the process of doing it removes the main joy of looking at photos, which is of course looking at them as a whole – something I am definitely going to get into in a mo. But, given the context of what I am talking about here, I just want to show you a crop of a photo taken with my Sony a5100 (sorry).

As you can see it shows a lot of fine detail. I’m pretty certain it was shot at f/3.5 – so assuming very precise testing would prove greater resolving power stopped down a bit, you can see how impressive the 50mm VM Heliar is. But. crop. boring. Here’s the full image:

Connie

Ok, admittedly, unless you’re related to my daughter there isn’t much to write home about in terms of content. But, as full images you can see the impact and feel of the resolution and contrast on the whole image. I hope you can see what I mean by organic feeling – the image looks real, it looks 3D!

3D “pop”

As I’ve alluded to I think this organic and real feeling that comes across in photos taken with the 50mm VM Heliar come from the fact the images don’t feel flat in the way images from many “clinically sharp” modern lenses do. Instead they have what the world of photography has chosen to call “3D pop”. The problem with the phrase “3D pop” is like many adjectives in the world of describing optical properties, it comes with its own ambiguities in terms of definition – this is again something I talk about here.

Some see 3D pop as a something that happens when a subject is nicely separated from the background with good Bokeh, whereas some (myself included) are more inclined too see it as more to do with what’s in focus. What’s interesting about this lens is that – to my eye at least – it fulfils both criteria. They have the 3D look to what’s in focus, but also, the out of focus – and indeed transition to out of focus – are well rendered in a way that helps the 3D look too. Just have a look at this second crop of the same image as above (sorry again).

The out of focus

As you can see, the transition to out of focus is indeed very smooth. If you look at her hair as it becomes more out of focus, you can see it almost has the melting feeling that I like so much in my Sonnar lenses – perhaps without quite so much of the spherical aberration glow.

Of course, in that image, you can’t see much in the way of Bokeh, and how all this impacts on images with more background. So, whilst I don’t want to talk too much about Bokeh, I will just point out, that yet again, the 50mm VM Heliar does something in a way that feels quite real – or at very least neutral. That is to say that it’s not overtly creamy in terms of bokeh, nor is the bokeh particularly distracting.

Below are some shots that I took on a little outing with my Sony A7rii – I took these as part of a contract for a local tourism organisation, so you will have to excuse the content, they are snaps taken for graphical purposes of a nice local public garden. Whilst they might not be particularly fascinating in terms of their content, they do show the “3D pop”, transition to out of focus and bokeh quite nicely.

Spetchley Park Gardens

Spetchley Park Gardens

Spetchley Park Gardens

Spetchley Park Gardens

No gimmicks or nasties

Outside all of the above slightly wishy-washy way of saying “its sharp and has pretty decent Bokeh”, I think it’s also worth pointing out that the 50mm VM Heliar appears largely immune to most of the sorts of nasties that the more technical objective lens reviews focus on. For example, I found it quite hard to discern any colour fringing even when shooting with the Sony A7rii – in fact I had to zoom in to 300% to see any even in the sorts of high contrast edges where you might normally see it.

It’s also basically entirely lacking in any meaningful distortion, it vignettes only the slightest amount when shot wide, and at no point in shooting it did I see any ghosting. As such, by most measures the 50mm VM Heliar is nigh on perfect – objectively speaking, of course. Quite the statement I suppose, it’s just a shame I can’t say the same about the lens as a whole

Handling

My first frustration with this lens is despite all the reviews that talk about how small the 50mm VM Heliar is, it’s not tiny – especially with the hood attached. I’m actually not usually a lens hood kind of person, but since it’s a lens that’s capable of close to objective perfection, I didn’t feel like jeopardising this by not using the hood made sense. Without the hood, it is smaller, but it’s not really any smaller than my Sonnar in terms of the length. And really, length is pretty much all that counts when you’re looking at lens size on a rangefinder.

The odd shape

Small or otherwise though, I just can’t see why Voigtlander would make the decision to make the 50mm VM Heliar such an odd shape. I guess the formula lends itself to a conical shape with it being a small aperture 50mm lens, but to my mind the design just feels a touch unnecessary, maybe even a little self indulgent on Voigtlander’s part. I suppose the idea behind it is that it looks a little bit like something you might find on a 1950s compact Voigtlander – but is that a good enough justification to make it harder to use…? I’m not so sure!

Handing issues

For me, there are three irritations that come with the odd design of the 50mm VM Heliar. The non-clicked aperture, small focusing ring and the fact that the lens’s focusing helicoid doesn’t use keys, all cause frustrations born from its esoteric design.

The latter means the whole front part of the lens rotates including the aperture control when you focus. The outcome of the this is that the aperture control isn’t always centred when you look down onto it over the front of the camera. I can sort of forgive this in older lenses, or lenses that are designed to be particularly low profile, but I just didn’t feel that forgiving when it comes to this lens – at least not to start with.

 

In use

The outcome of the design is that depending on how you approach using it, you might find it to be a lens that’s not that quick feeling to use. This comes from the fact that you have to look at it quite closely to change the aperture, and often if you’ve already focused, you need to adjust the focus again after you’ve change the aperture.

That all said, in practice, I did get used to it. I think the thing that eventually swung a little bit of favour and allowed a modicum of forgiveness for the design in me, is that actually it feels like a design that pushes you to use it in a specific way. In use, I found myself much more readily sticking to an aperture and adjusting the shutter speed. To be fair, I possibly shoot like this more than I think anyway, but with the 50mm VM Heliar I felt a lot more conscious of the need to preset the aperture. This is in fact just this sort of limitation within my gear that I find myself enjoying in use. When I’m out taking photos for my hobby, I like the feeling of being forced to think harder about what I am doing.

But, whilst I quite like the sort of limitations the 50mm VM Heliar imposes – the motivations behind the design decisions in this lens don’t feel as though they relate to the imposition of limitations for good reasons. That is to say, it doesn’t feel like this lens has been designed to to be limiting in the way it is because it needed to be, it feels like it’s limiting nature is a by product of a slightly unnecessarily indulgent design.

This differs from some of the other lenses I’ve shot with that are fiddly to use in terms of changing the aperture (the MS-Optics 21mm for eg) which are designed in such a way to help maintain a low profile design. The difference here is that whilst it is a small lens, simply adding a bit of extra girth to it to allow for a more conventional design, wouldn’t have made it feel much bigger, but would have made it a lot easier to use – and I just can’t help being irritated by that.

Real life example photos

Before I conclude my review, I want to show you a whole bunch of photos that I took with the 50mm VM outside of the aforementioned desire to test it’s sharpness. Apart from anything else, these were all taken on 400 ISO film, which isn’t exactly the final word in sharpness. As such, these images don’t show off the absolute sharpness of the lens, but more importantly, they do show the overall feel of this lens…

Some London street shots with Ilford HP5+

Snaps from London

Snaps from London

Snaps from London

Snaps from London

Snaps from London

Snaps from London

Snaps from London

Snaps from London

Portra 400

Maize Maze

A hazy day at Elan Valley with Portra 400

Elan Valley

Elan Valley

Elan Valley

Elan Valley

Elan Valley

Elan Valley

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I’m not usually the type to revel in objective perfection when it comes to lenses, but the great thing about what the 50mm VM Heliar is capable of is that with the very high level of optical quality comes a sense of something really quite special in the way it renders.

Now, I will admit, perhaps I am over thinking this? I read on one forum post where there was a discussion around the Heliar lens formula as a whole – there were many similar (and some differing) opinions to what I have written above, but the thread came a point where someone cut through all the subjective waffle with a comment that went something like “…where people want to see magic, they see magic” (think of all the topics that could be applied to…!?)

Perhaps I am looking for magic, and therefore finding it through my own subjective observations. Maybe I’m just then just trying to rationalise what I think I see with a swathe of waffle about what just amounts to a lens that is simply optically very good.

But to me the level and quality of the character of the 50mm VM Heliar doesn’t feel forced or overly clinical, it doesn’t feel like a trick, it just feels organic, neutral and realistic, like a very clear window to what was there when the photo was taken – and this for me sums up everything I found that I really like about the way that this lens renders. As such, it still makes sense to me that even if all all the wishy-washy waffle I have written is nonsense, what still remains is a sense of uncontrived quality.

Which is exactly why the design of the lens bothers me so much. What sits alongside the uncontrived image quality is a contrived and indulgent lens design that feels like it detracts from the lens as a whole.

That said, I must admit I did forget about how much nicer it could have been to use if Voigtlander hadn’t designed it to be a pseudo-vintage conical oddity. In use I just got on and shot it, dealt with, and even enjoyed the limitations the design brings… I just can’t escape from the feeling that if it had been designed like a “normal” m-mount manual focus lens, the Voigtlander 50mm VM Heliar could have been an understated masterpiece…

You can find a bunch more photos I took with this lens on my flickr here
You can find another review on Leica Rumors here


And finally, if this review has inspired you to buy one of these lenses – please get in touch with me directly. I am now a UK retailer of Voigtlander lenses, and am in the process of building an online shop to sell them along side a few other bits of kit that I like. I am doing this in a bid to try and make this website viable long term, so if you want to help keep 35mmc going, buy from me!

 

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By Hamish Gill
I started taking photos at the age of 9. Since then I've taken photos for a hobby, sold cameras for a living, and for a little more than decade I've been a professional photographer and, of course, weekly contributor to 35mmc.
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Philip on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 25/09/2023

This 187 gram wonder ticks so many boxes it seems churlish to complain, and this is true of many Cosina lenses. It works fine on EVF cameras where gain up permits stopped-down focusing. You can, for finer focus accuracy, focus at f3.5 then stop down while carefully inhibiting the focus ring from moving, with a finger (easy due to the fine ring damping, again a Cosina trademark). I often aperture-bracket in this way, since focus shift is a non-issue. For travel it is so light and small it simply must come along.

I shoot it alongside the 35/50 APOs - it is never disgraced in such company and has its own whimsical signature colour performance. Fussy backgrounds are handled with aplomb, enabling many landscapes that would otherwise be troublesome - few modern lenses produce this soft yet identifiable out-of-focus content character. Use a mech shutter (no EFCS) to retain the quality of the focus fade which is indeed so good reviewers would be delighted to see it in their late release optics.

And this unlocks a secret to many images - if focus fade is very good, somewhat OOF content is rendered very acceptably for context; far better than many 'moderns'. I'd like a 28mm like this one, tuned to Sony's sensor thickness. As Erwin Puts has said: slow lenses have an order of magnitude fewer aberrations over their f1.4 rivals. I even like the shape, we call it the 'little chorten'. But in an AF world, can the little MF guy get noticed? Kudos to Cosina (again). thanks, Hamish.
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Scott on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 17/06/2023

I recently saw a YouTube video from Matt at Mr. Leica about the Heliar. He has very positive things to say about the lens. I like the unusual aesthetic design. It's very artistic. I'm thankful the people at Cosina are creating high quality optical art with glass at a reasonable price. Nobody else is doing quite the same thing for Leica VM camera owners. I started with two Voigtlander Sony E mount lenses, because I wanted a compact lens solution for travel. I was so impressed with them (especially the 21 1.4 Nokton!) that when I recently bought a used M10, Voigtlander was my first choice. My 50 1.2 Nokton came perfectly calibrated with my rangefinder, even wide-open! My used 28 2.0 Ultron is a flawless little jewel of a lens that's worth every penny. I'd like to expand my Leica horizons with other lenses, but I don't want to pay stupid money for it. After all, this is only a hobby for me. Thanks for the interesting review!
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Chauncey on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 08/10/2020

Great review and lovely shots! It's been difficult to find a high resolution lower contrast lens in the modern line-up. I'm curious that which performs better in terms of resolution, heliar, zm 50 or cron (rigid or v4). Any experience?
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 08/10/2020

My gut tells me Heliar. Just fyi, I have heard a rumour about voigtlander bringing the apo-lanthar to m-mount - so if resolution is your aim, I would wait for that

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stephen edmunds on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 31/07/2019

I can understand the thinking behind the quirky design,its a marketing ploy to persuade buyers its an old fashioned voigtlander lens.
Truth is just like zeiss lenses its just a cosina lens made in japan.
But if it was branded as cosina and had a modern practical design the illusion would fail and nobody would buy it.
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Tom on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 06/06/2018

Just bought the 50mm 3.5 and got it in the mail today. Very interesting! Looks great on my A7. I don't mind the aperture control because I usually set it and forget it. Either I'm at wide open or F8 with my 50's. Plan on taking it out this weekend.
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 06/06/2018

Let me know how you get on!

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Martin Hugh Henley on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 04/04/2018

Excellent review, Hamish. Most reviews have been very positive about this special lens. After your review my overriding reaction was "damn, wtf?! - a non-clicking aperture selection?". That initially appeared to be a deal-breaker for me. However, on reflection, shutter-speed is of far more importance to me & is not something I shift often (I regularly shoot in low-light and lock shutter-speed at 1/30 or 1/60 most frequently) with my exposure relying on me riding the aperture. So, maybe this non-clicking aperture selection is actually pretty cool for those with the same shooting style. Sadly, I've just picked up a Type 3 Summicron 50mm. But, already I'm weakening....this lens looks so damn gorgeous. Oh, sh*t, here we go again..... ;)
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 04/04/2018

This is not the lens to ride the aperture like that - it will drive you mad with it also potentially adjusting focus. It works much better the other way - set aperture and forget... You might be better off - at least in terms of user experience - with the cron...

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Tom on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 02/04/2018

I found this review very well written and objective! I am a big fan of Voigtlander lenses and perhaps it has to do with the jewel like character of the glass. Most of them are small, well designed and in most cases- very good hap-tics. The overall rendering is quite attractive as well.

This lens is an oddity but I may give it a chance. I own the loxia 50mm and Voigtlander 65mm F2 APO. The loxia is quite good optically but suffers a mid and corner dip in resolution until stopped down to around F4-5.6. The aperture ring is a bit irritating as well and finally, the bokeh is choppy at mid apertures. It does have its charm though! With that said, I might give this I try since I normally shoot at F4 and down anyways. I have other lenses for speed and I do like the look of this.

Another one I just picked up is the 75mm 2.5. Another classic for sure!
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 02/04/2018

Hi Tom, I'd definitely encourage you to try one. I have been so tempted a number of times since the review to buy one. I've also been tempted by the 75/2.5 again lately - I had one before, but didn't shoot it much. Report back...?

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Tom replied:

Comment posted: 02/04/2018

Hello. So far I'm enjoying the 75mm 2.5. I can't believe how small the thing is. It's not as sharp as the 65mm F2 but I wasn't expecting that. The center keeps up pretty good but at least on my A7 (I'm cheap- I spend all my money on glass)- I see noticeable drop off in the extreme corners at 2.5. The color is just great though. I have to say- the 65mm is probably the best lens so far I've tested and that I've ever owned. Probably next to that would be the 135mm 1.8 ZA stopped down at bit. The 65mm is just sharp all over the place and that's at F2. I'm definitely going to try out the 50mm 3.5. I have the 35mm 1.7 Ultron (new one) adapted and it's my favorite lens for everyday shooting. I just sold my loxia 50 as well and would like to plug the 50mm spot with a Voigtlander. The 50mm 3.5 seems to have a really nice look to it and I have other lenses for speed. The loxia's center resolution maxed out at F4 anyway so there you go. Hmm, maybe there is still room for the chrome 50mm 1.5...nope...need to save my pennies for that 110mm 2.5 macro coming out later this year:) Cheers.

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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 02/04/2018

If you fancy sharing some results and thoughts about the 75mm, let me know!

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7Artisans 35mm f/1.2 - my new mini super-sonnar - 35mmc on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 20/01/2018

[…] of the corners, it’s an acceptably sharp lens. Of course, it’s far from the likes of the Voigtlander 50mm f/3.5 which gave me a bit of a benchmark for just how capable these little Sony a5100 cameras can be when […]
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Paul Lefko on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 16/01/2018

Ok so I bought this lens to try out after I read this review and one other that I could find. This is really a unique piece of glass. I was really looking for faster glass honestly like a 1.5 Nokton (which is on the way). I am using this with an SL so there is some context. To the point of the conical design of the lens. If you use your index and thumb on the focus ring, your middle finger sits nicely on the aperture, you can adjust each easily, it perhaps was designed to be used this way, its seems natural in way. The image quality: Well - its fantastic, I think the word organic is a great way to describe it. The fall off is nice and color fidelity is incredible. The only thing that gets me is the 3.5, I really want something a little faster. I am not 100 percent sure I am going to keep it yet, but that image it produces is amazing to me and I have the 24-90 SL lens which is incredible. I also the think that this lens produces a very nice micro-contrast which is giving a character that is very hard to match. The lens is not just a great value, its a great optical instrument.
I love your review and thank you for doing it. Its hard to find material on non-mainstream lenses. I kinda think If I send it back I will miss it, its really that good. I will try to get some images up on my website later. There is some on IG, but I would have to label them somehow.
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 16/01/2018

Hi Paul, I have the uncomfortable situation of having given it back, really wanting one, but not having enough cash... I think I will buy one toward the summer... I'm not sure I'll be able to help myself. Pleased to read you like the review. Feel free to share some links via a comment

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Allan on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 30/09/2017

“…where people want to see magic, they see magic”
I heard that said as "We see what we believe, not the other way round."

Anyway, yes, the design of this lens put me off from even considering it. In fact, several of the latest generation of Voigtlanders seem to have gone off the deep end design-wise. The 50mm f1.5 and 35mm f1.7, with their odd, lumpy focusing rings, the 35mm f2.4, a compact black lens with an out-of-proportion chrome bayonet hood mount, and so forth.
The older, LTM Voigtlanders were simple, plain and businesslike. I liked them better.
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 30/09/2017

I'd agree! My favourite being the old 28mm 3.5 color-skopar - a great lens in an understated well made brass body

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MIKE HINKLEMAN on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 18/09/2017

Is what you're seeking with this lens and the sonnar quest a high degree of image accutance ?

(I personally am a sucker for accutance or for that matter auditory accutance as well. )

The voigtlander does show apparent accutance on your digital sensor - like unmasking. Not so much with film.

The whole subject of resolution and contrast and the allure of sharpness has essentially been way overdone certainly for years or even decades of internet discussion. My opinion is we're talking about accutance which is pleasing to at least some of us depending on the way our brains process visual data into perception. I might add that for machine vision accutance is not merely worthless but an extra software correction chore wasting valuable processing cycles.

I have no idea if you have experience with the old leica summar 5cm but you might want to give it a shot. The lens can produce images that are startling I believe because or its contrast characteristic. (There's a review on Stella's site under Leica Reviews) For digital you might try a low(er) res sensor like the RD1 or M8. For film APX 100 or similar in Beutler. GL
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 18/09/2017

Yes, though a tend to think of acutance as a product of lens (micro) contrast. Micro contrast being the inherent feature in the lens, acutance being something that can be increased through an unsharp mask in a micro level, and "clarity" on more of a structural level afterward. Does that make sense? I am the same with audio too - I'm a big fan of active hifi as I believe it to be the best approach to reveal the "PRAT" as the Naim folks would call it. (I have a mytek Brooklyn and pair of Adam Tensor Epsilons if you're interested? Pro audio adapter for the home is key in my world) For me it's the whole subject of sharpness that has lost its way. I think the idea of what lens contrast means has been lost a little. Modern lenses have it, but something is lost in complex optical formula I think. There is an article out there somewhere about this that was a bit of an eye opener to me - it sort of affirmed what I felt I was seeing. I can't find it now, annoyingly. Fundamentally, I agree with what you are saying. I feel that my brain is very much attuned to an acutance derived aesthetic... it's why ultimately I most prefer my ZM Sonnar, and also, perhaps, my vinyl through my active speakers... (I also have a direct drive turntable, which I think helps too)

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George Appletree on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 17/09/2017

Thinking retro, what about the VM 50 mm / F 1,5 Nokton, is not a better choice?
At the end the organic and 3D features are rather ethereal
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 17/09/2017

Ethereal if you don't have an eye that appreciates them

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George Appletree replied:

Comment posted: 17/09/2017

Maybe you have a tool to measure it, but that what you say: "I know thats such a vague word" "The problem with the phrase “3D pop” is like many adjectives" Ethereal so

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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 17/09/2017

I know what you are saying, but it's subjective and as something that I see and like in an image, it's something I might pursue

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George Appletree replied:

Comment posted: 17/09/2017

I didn't, you said it. What I see is whether the other lens could be a better choice for your pursue. Neither of both are truly my cup of tea. Cheers

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Neil Woodman on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

Great review and I have to agree with you, the design of the lens is indulgent, almost pompous to me. I think that's a great shame.
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

Daft isn't it - though the more time that passes without it, the more I am feeling like I want it back and that it doesn't matter...

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Terry B replied:

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

No, Hamish, it doesn't matter. It is clear from this post that you liked its imaging properties. To my mind this is all important, not its looks. But the one feature I'd like to see are click stops. In today's age, I feel this is a serious omission. It's a modern lens, so why does its handling have to be crippled by this left-over from the 1950's?

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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

100% agree

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Rollin Banderob on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

So you buying one?
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

Yep, just need to gather some pennies!

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Robert Lai on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

I owned the Leica thread mount collapsible version of the Heliar 50mm f/3.5 lens a few years ago. Making it collapsible made it feel even more wobbly and loose, and it didn't inspire confidence. The images were very neutral, but nothing that spoke to the character of the lens. I just couldn't live with the ergonomics, and I sold it.

In the meantime, I picked up from a seller in Belgium a 1947 Voigtlander RF 6 x 9 cm folding medium format camera with a Color-Heliar (coated) lens. That Voigtlander could restart production so soon after the devastation of WWII is amazing. I've had the camera fully overhauled, and I do enjoy the Heliar rendition. It seems to be a high resolution, medium contrast optic. It has a sharp but still somewhat vintage feeling medium format image.

I think you would actually like in the 35mm format the Heliar 50mm f/2. By opening up the lens 1.5 stops, you now have a lens with lots of character. Wide open it's pleasantly glowy, with a sharp central core. Stopped down, you get sharper and sharper until it becomes a regular modern optic. So, you have optical character control just with the aperture setting alone.

Finally, you may want to give the Zeiss Contax / Nikon S / Kiev cameras a try. They have very compact 50mm lenses because the helical is built into the camera. This also means that the lens spins around as you focus, so the aperture marks may disappear to the undersurface of the camera as you focus. Some really wonderful lenses are built in this mount, including your beloved Jupiter 8. I have the Jupiter 3 (Ukranian copy of the pre-war Zeiss 50mm f/1.5 Sonnar), and it is a really beautifully rendering lens. Zeiss / Cosina Voigtlander even made a special run of the current C-Sonnar 50mm f/1.5, and put it into the Nikon S mount. I purchased one of these recently, and it does also focuses properly with my Kiev IIa, and Contax IIIa. In the Nikon S / Contax RF mount, it is tiny compared to its "big" Leica M mount brother. The optics are the same.
Why would you want to try?
The aesthetics of the Contax / Nikon S are just different. I have several Leica M, and I love them. But, they seem so business-like. The Contax has a really different feeling. The very long rangefinder baselength and the fine pitch of the helical means that focusing feels as if you are calibrating a scientific instrument, rather than just focusing. Since you appreciate aesthetics, you should at least give one a try.
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

I used to have the Vaskar version and wanted the Heliar version - I never bought one. I'd like to one day though. I've also been looking at the f/2 version, but wonder if it has the extent of the 3d feel I see in the 3.5. If they weren't so hard to come by, I'd love to try one too. As for the Contax/Nikon/Kievs - I have a Contax ii and a Kiev 4, I don't find myself convinced. It's all in the viewfinder for me - they just don't have the clarity. The Nikons on the other hand really do interest me. I spend some time playing with the full range the other day. The SP2005 very much gave me that business like feel you mention. Just wonder if they are a touch over-complex for me

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Huss replied:

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

I too briefly had the collapsible nickel plated 50 3.5 Heliar and absolutely hated the handling. The rattly aperture ring bugged me the most!

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Terry B on Voigtlander 50mm 3.5 VM Heliar – a review of two halves

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

Hamish. great review and images.

I am sure that the design clues for the lens is a deliberate homage to the 1840 Daguerreotype camera No. 84 .
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Hamish Gill replied:

Comment posted: 16/09/2017

Very poss - no excuse though ;)

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