A Zip Drive and Disks

Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

By Dave Powell

Remember these? How long has it been since you stored important files– especially photos– on Zip disks? It’s been three decades for me, since higher-capacity CD-R media showed up in the mid 1990s.

Just this week, while searching for something else in our furnace/storage room, I rediscovered the box where I stuffed my Iomaga drive and dozens of disks. All holding image files from my earliest photo exhibits.

As they still do. I connected the Iomega drive to my Windows 10 laptop, the computer recognized it, the disks worked perfectly, and I quickly reclaimed my files. Like a Noah’s Ark, the little 100MB Zips preserved files I thought I’d lost over decades of PC crashes, floods and lightning storms.

Microsoft has given PC owners an October 25th “deadline” to install Windows 11 on machines that can handle it. (See a recent UPDATE below.) So if you still have a Zip drive and disks, do they hold images (or other files) that you want? They’re probably still there. And while we can’t assume they’ll remain accessible under Windows 11, I think they probably will.

This whole Windows issue seems moot for me. Though my Lenovo Legion Y720 laptop is only about 7 years old, Microsoft’s W11-compatibility-checking tool says I can’t upgrade because its Intel Core i7-7700 HQ CPU is incompatible (to use the tool, click the “Check for upgrade now” button at the bottom of that page). I don’t think I can do much about that. So for now, I’ll stick with W10 until it becomes obvious that I need to shift this machine to Linux/Ubuntu (a process that has worked well for me on other notebooks).

UPDATE: I just received a Microsoft notice that Windows 10 systems are “no longer receiving support or free software updates after Cctober 14, 2025.” Based on the company’s past behavior, though, I still don’t believe they will stop ALL updates to W10 that soon. After all, one of Microsoft’s 2024 alerts about this deadline said that it would also spell the end of updates to operating systems going as far back as Windows 7! Really? So might W10 still receive at least a FEW critical updates for years to come? 

–Dave Powell is a Westford, Mass., writer and avid amateur photographer.

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By Dave Powell
Trained in mathematics, physics, computer programming and science journalism. Retired mathematician, award-winning technical and journalistic writer. Past winner of an international business-journalism equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize. And past author and editorial advisor for Sesame Street... where I regularly worked with Jim Henson and Kermit! Now enjoying "retirement studies" of photography, quantum physics and "scientific spirituality." (And restoring a shamefully lapsed relationship with the piano.)
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Scott Bassett on Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

If you do a web search for ways to upgrade computers Microsoft claims are incompatible with Windows 11, you will find several ways to upgrade your Lenovo laptop. I successfully upgraded several machines older than your Lenovo. There is also a free option to continue WIndows 10 support for another year if you are willing to log into a Microsoft account and backup certain folders to OneDrive (a nearly painless option). So don't give up on that old Lenovo just yet. I still regularly use an old Lenovo ThinkPad x220 from 2011.
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Dave Powell replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Hi Scott, thanks for the reminder! I did find one of those sites earlier this year. It suggested that replacing a specific Windows system file would do the trick in many W10 systems. But mine didn't have that file. But I'll so more searching! I too use an old ThinkPad, but a previous owner had wiped it so I installed Ubuntu... and it's still a awesome little machine for writing on the road!

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Scott Bassett replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

My favorite site for Windows (and other OS) tips is How-To Geek. They have a great set of instructions for upgrading an unsupported PC to Windows 11. https://www.howtogeek.com/759925/how-to-install-windows-11-on-an-unsupported-pc/

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Dave Powell replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

THANKS SCOTT!!!!!

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David Voss on Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Microsoft has announced an "Extended Security Updates" program that goes through October 2026. There is paid and a free option. I did this with all my legacy Windows machines.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/extended-security-updates
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Russ Rosener replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

THanks for that link! I have a desktop running Windoze 10 that still runs oy Nikon Coolscan 9000 film scanner. I need to keep that hardware going as long as possible!

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Dave Powell replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Yes... Thanks for that link David!

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David Voss replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Exactly my situation too. And now that Apple has completely removed Firewire support from Mac OS Tahoe, I need the Windows box and keep a laptop with Sequoia (and a really ancient iBook G4 that still runs Nikon Scan).

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John Bennett on Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

No better argument for printing photographs. Hopefully film photographs, but digital, too. When my father died four years ago, we organized all the family photos he had collected in a couple of big plastic bins. The earliest ones dated back to 1910, or so. Hundreds of them.

Imagine if our relatives had stored their pictures on the 100 year-old equivalent of the floppy disc or hard drive. Lost forever.
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Dave Powell replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Quite true John... and aren't those bins heavy! There's one beside me right now with negs and lab prints going back to 1972. And my 77-year-old back dares not lift it! However, you also raise an oft-overlooked and very appropriate consideration for photographers-- that prints may be "storage" media of sorts, but they're also pleasant to look at and live with. So while their shelf lives may be short, they do make life more enjoyable. (I don't get the same rush looking at Zip disks, though!)

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Ben Mackey on Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Thanks for the PSA about Zip disks. Mine have been in long term storage for a while. Guess it is past time to dig out my old ones, see what's on them, and move files to a more modern storage media.
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Dave Powell replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

You're welcome Ben. AND it's fun just seeing what's in them again!

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Russ Rosener on Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Well, even my Zip Drives are all SCSI based so doubt I can read them anyway! This does highlight why I have moved back to film for 60% of my images. It's a durable low tech archival medium. Digital images are quite fragile when you look even 50 years down the road.
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Dave Powell replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

A viable strategy Russ. But based on the big blue storage bin parked right now beside my desk, I suggest that years of negatives and prints may become heavier, more difficult to save and transport, and more time-consuming for one's descendants to deal with... than today's compact digital media! Commenter Tim Bradshaw (below) agrees with your assessment of digital backups' fragility... and suggests ways to deal with that.

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Tim Bradshaw on Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

There is an important underlying principle here.

TLDR: don't assume that your old digital media will be readable for ever, even if you can find the right interface. It won't. Copy it now, and keep copying it to new storage every few years. Also, do not assume that data you have in the clown will survive and certainly never assume this unless you are paying the clown.

Any information storage medium has a finite expected lifetime. After that lifetime ends the chance of being able to retrieve information falls (indeed it falls before it, but it often falls more rapidly after it) and the information that is retrieved may be degraded.

For media like film (kept in good conditions) it's often easiest to regard that lifetime as zero, and then to understand the rate at which the information degrades. So you can think of film as hust degrading at some known rate from the day the neg is first fixed and washed fir ever. For well-processed B/W kept in good conditions that rate is pretty low. But it's not zero: your negs will be significantly degraded in a few millennia, however carefully you and your descendants look after them.

But this comment is really about digital storage, and here the lifetime really matters. As an example, if you look at spec sheets for HDDs, they will often quote mean between failure figures, and these will often be in the region of a million hours. This does not mean the device will last for a century: it means that over their rated life, which will be a few years, perhaps a decade, then you can expect these to fail at a rate corresponding to the MTBF. After the rated life the failure rate will climb, often fairly steeply.

It's really tempting to do various sums based on MTBF for digital storage devices and then think 'OK, if I make four copies on four devices then I'll almost certainly be fine for a century', or have some RAID solution. You won't: after a century your grandchildren will almost certainly have four dead devices.

The solution to this for digital data is to endlessly keep copying it to new, young, devices. You might be OK if you choose, very carefully, devices which have long expected lifetimes. The best CD-Rs may have lives upwards of a century (DVD-R and the blu-ray equivalent are not as good). My Sigma dp2Q writes 59MB raw files, so 14 images/disc, so ... a lot of discs: probably the copy-endlessly strategy is best.

Of course, unless you are famous or have very assiduous children, the copy-endlessly strategy will stop working when you die. A decade or so after that all your digital images will probably be gone. Your film images, on the other hand, may well be fine.

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Dave Powell replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Thanks for all the info, Tim. And that's precisely why I just bought a 4TB portable drive to back up my computer's contents before even trying to address its W11 compatibility! That drive follows two 2T drives that I've bought in the past. They still work... but who knows for how much longer! Your last line also hints at another very important issue, which our lawyers raised when we revised our wills and trusts. We don't have children, but there ARE brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews. And as we store more content on digital media (and on Web sites like 35mmc!), we should ensure that in the event of our deaths, our descendants can continue to access them as part of the family's intellectual property.

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Gary Smith on Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Hi Dave, had more than a few Zip disks however I transferred all of the files that I thought I'd need onto the C drive at some point in the past when I had enough space.
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Dave Powell replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

Hi Gary... and then backed up the C drive too, I bet!

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Gary Smith replied:

Comment posted: 26/09/2025

I have three USB Passport drives in rotation. One sits in a bank vault. The other two rotate each week where I only backup my wife's week and my photos.

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Leon Winnert on Zip Disks – A One-Shot Public-Service Announcement

Comment posted: 27/09/2025

Yes I remember Zip discs. Still got a handful and the read write plug-in gadget.

Widows 11 upgrade. Hmm. I have a lap-top and a desk top running windows 10 and they work quite seamlessly. I also have a desk top running windows 11. The experience is pants. My message to MS is if ain't broke don't fix it. I have anxiety attacks as to the damage and disasters that will befall my computers and data when I get to the point that I am forced by MS to replace perfectly good and easy to use operating sytaems with something yhat in my opinion is substandard on all fronts.
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