5 frames with a Minolta 700si

By Roger

In a recent post, Julian Tanase urged us to think about “stepping back” in photography, using simpler cameras to make us think more about what we are doing. This post is about my experience going in the opposite direction. The reason is that, before getting my first digital camera in 1999, the last film camera I bought was a Minolta 700si. Aside from having one of its two lenses stolen, when I put it down on a bench next to where I was sitting, I have few memories of using it, though I must have used it for a few years. All I remember is that when digital cameras were still rudimentary by modern standards (2 or 3 Megapixels, tiny screen and few controls) I took an OM camera on at least one trip, alongside digital, probably because I had a greater range of lenses for it. But in the past few months, exploring film again, I thought it would be interesting to try out the 700si again, so I put a roll of film through it.

Compared with OM cameras, let alone an old Leica SLR, the 700si feels more like a more modern DSLR, such as the Canons I used to use. Rounded, fairly large but comfortable to hold, with lots of polycarbonate. And a popup flash. A limitation of my camera, and the reason why it would have been pointless trying to sell it, is that the LCD display on the top of the camera no longer works properly. That is the result of leaving in the car on a sunny day with sunlight pouring down on it. Fortunately, that does not make it impossible to use. There is what I call a Panic button, labelled with a big P, that resets the camera to program mode and other settings to their defaults. The A and S for those modes still work, so the remaining mode setting has to be manual. Because of the damaged screen, I have no indication of how many exposures are remaining until it gets down to 9, when there is a count down shown inside the viewfinder, along with aperture, shutter speed and metering mode.

Loading the camera is easy, if disconcerting, as you just lay the film over the back and shut the door, making sure that the sprocket holes are lined up with the sprocket correctly. A motor then whirrs away for a few seconds, and when it stops you are ready to take a photo. Similarly, when the 36th exposure is taken, the motor whirrs again and the film is automatically would back into the cassette — all the way, so that I need to used a film extractor to get the end of the film out so I can load it into the developing tank. Maybe I could take the end of the cassette off using a bottle opener, but I have not tried. As someone who likes to be able to use the rewind crank to check film is loaded and moving on, it is a bit worrying to have to rely on the camera doing everything correctly, or it would be if I was on a mission critical project. Maybe the Minolta is easier to load than a Bronica 35mm back or a Leica (I’ve only seen pictures of that) but compared with most SLRs I am not convinced it is an advantage). I guess that DX coding reduced the chance of setting the ISO wrongly, but I can live without that.

When it came to taking photos, the process was quick and easy. The autofocus was faster than I expected for an early 1990s camera, and it seems to have worked. I Left it in Program mode (using the Panic button), and let the camera choose the focus point, making it into a big point and shoot with some advanced features such focusing when you bring the camera up to your eye. I won’t go as far as saying that manual focusing leads to better photos because it forces me to slow down, but I found myself getting a little bored with everything being done for me. All I had to do was select the zoom and press the button. I could have done more manually, but nothing about the camera made me want to do that.

Generally the pictures came out well – perhaps a bit overexposed, or perhaps overdeveloped, but very uniform looking negatives that scanned fairly easily, even if the default was a bit flat and I had to alter the tone curve a bit.

Will I use it again? Probably not in the near future, though if I wanted to do street photography with film the autofocus might make it a sensible choice though something smaller and less obtrusive, without the noise of the wind-on motor, would probably be better. My conclusion is simply that less automated film cameras are more fun. And I like to see more evidence that the film is winding on correctly, not to mention the chance to get 38 instead of 36 shots. Now for my five shots, where the main issues are related to composition, choice of subject and the photographer — nothing to do with the camera.

(Developed in Ordinal 1:50; scanned with Epson V700.)

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Roger on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

Sorry, Ordinal should be Rodinal. Autocorrect is sometimes my enemy!
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John Fontana replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

Excellent images, Roger. I have a Canon that rewinds the whole film into the cassette and it is a pain. I always struggle with the film extractor and end up taking the cassette lid off with pliers in a changing bag. What was the flm?

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Roger on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

Thanks. The film was Agfa APX100. For extracting the film I use an ancient Dixons gadget, which eventually works, though usually after a series of failures.
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Indrek replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

Old Agfa APX100 or new Agfaphoto APX100? They look excellent. Did you use any filters on lens?

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Roger replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

New Agfaphoto APX100. No filters and the original kit lens (28-80) shown in the photos. The film leader extractor may have been Jessops rather than Dixons (memory playing tricks on me again); either way it is very old. I could also have added that, aside from the issue with the LCD, which is my fault, it has not survived as well as much older cameras. There is a crack in the plastic of the handgrip (which does not affect use at all) and the rubberised coating on the grip had gone very sticky, and needed to be cleaned off with surgical spirit before the camera was usable.

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Bob Janes on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

There is a custom card that allows you to set up stuff like leaving the leader out, not automatically rewinding after 36 exposures and a few other things. The 800si (very versatile, but very ugly camera) has those features built in!

Nice shots. :-)
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Roger replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

The idea of putting this feature on a custom card seems very odd because if you were using another card, such as the one that gives interval shooting, you would have to remember to change cards after 35 exposures, so as to be able to go beyond 36 and keep your header visible. I guess they were responding to complaints about the original design and a new custom card was the only way to do it, in the days before the internet and firmware updates. I shall keep an eye open for one of the cards, though I guess they are rare. Thanks for the alert.

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Roger replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

PS Do you happen to know what the card that adds these features is called, or which cards add it, if it is on more than one card?

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Bob Janes replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

My understanding is that you don't need the card in the camera all the time, just to set the camera, which then carries on leaving the leader out or only rewinding when it senses the film running out rather than after however many shots the camera gets from the DX code. So you should be able to borrow the card, or to sell the card after using it. The cards were an odd way of adding features, with later cameras Minolta built a lot of these features in.

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Roger replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

Thanks. That is useful to know. I have since discovered that the card needed is CUSTOM XI. Older Minolta models require a different card that is not compatible with the 700si. However, I just found a website that said that if you remove the battery mid-rewind and then re-insert it, the camera continues rewinding but leaves the leader out. I just tried this with a "dead" film and it worked. Useful to know that.

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Bob Janes replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

There are all sorts of ester eggs/kludges like that on the Maxxum/Dynax/Alpha analogue cameras. The full list of what the Custom Xi card willl enable can be found on Michael Hohner's very good A mount site. https://www.mhohner.de/sony-minolta/camera_acc.php#cards Basically it allows: Standard settings after reset: P/A/S/M mode, exposure compensation, metering mode, AF area Increasing or decreasing frame numbers Automatic or manual film rewind Leader out (on/off) DX memory (on/off) Automatic flash in P mode (on/off) Lens button function: focus hold, spot AF, AF-C Automatic grip sensor activation (on/off) But without the top LCD working I'm not sure how useful it could be for your 700si. These are built in options on later cameras such as the Dynax 7, 5 and 60

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Steviemac on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

Great article and great shots. I agree with your notion that older mechanical cameras are much more fun and involving to use. That being said, sometimes it's fun to let the camera do all the work. These old Minoltas are perfect for the latter instance, and perform way above their current value, making them amongst the best bargains available. I recently managed to revive the milky effect on the rubber/neoprene/??? or whatever it is that they use, by gently applying a little isopropanol alcohol (surgical spirit) on a cotton cloth. It looked much smarter afterwards. I can't help with the lcd screens however.
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Roger replied:

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

That's what I had to do, though in my case surgical spirit was all I could easily get hold of. My earlier comment was before I realised you had pointed this out. I don't know whether rubberised coatings were used because manufacturers did not then know how they would age, or whether they thought the camera would not last long enough for this to be a problem.

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Gary Smith on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 24/04/2024

My Canon FTb was marked "QL" for quick load but it didn't use motors. Did the fact that it had motors allow for rapid exposures (like with a motor drive)? Nice set of shots! I feel that I'm going to have to get back into developing/scanning my own film.
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Geoff Chaplin on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 25/04/2024

Panic button - perfect name! Excellent images, but maybe not so much fun as a purely manual camera.
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Bob Janes replied:

Comment posted: 25/04/2024

Worth noting that the P option on the AF Minoltas tends to allow you to 'shift' the exposure to give wider or narrower apertures.

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Roger replied:

Comment posted: 25/04/2024

Yes, just turn one of the dials and the aperture and speed change while keeping the exposure the same.

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Ibraar Hussain on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 25/04/2024

Nice photos and enjoyable post!
Luckily the Minolta Dynax 7 has a feature which leaves the film leader out
The fun with automatic cameras is that the metering is usually more accurate but I do go through a lot of film with them !
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Paul Quellin on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 27/04/2024

Great images Roger, testament to Minolta too. I have used quite a few auto wind cameras recently and ran a film through one this morning. I quite like the system on the Nikon F501 I have, it has a striped disc that rotates with the film carriage, so you catch a glimpse of it turning after pressing the shutter button, then it oddly still has a manual rewind. I recently ran a test roll through an Olympus OM101... shut the door, all the right noises. Whirring sound after each shot, but after the rewind indication, when I opened the back it looked suspiciously like the film hadn't advanced at all. Thought it must have done, so processed it and no results. Now I take care to place the film tail to the exact point shown in the instructions, as precisely as I can. Little Canon 650 seems to do it flawlessly, but it's always on the back of your mind. Good old Voigtlanders with the film counter being driven by an extra film sprocket in the middle... it can't lie.
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Roger on 5 frames with a Minolta 700si

Comment posted: 28/04/2024

I think the Minolta is fairly reliable in that respect though, like you, I tried to be very careful about where I placed the header. Glad you liked the pictures. I've only had one experience of a film not winding on properly - or I think I have, as I put the film through a second time and haven't processed it yet - but that was an unorthodox manual camera I might write about later on. My only other automatic wind-on was an underwater compact (maybe a Minolta) and I never had problems with that.
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