5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

By Bradley Newman

I’ve been wanting to work on my low-light film shooting skills for awhile. I’d already tried shooting some Ilford HP5 pushed to 1600 at our family Thanksgiving celebration, and at a wedding (see: my previous post, Traveling. Light) with mixed results.

The first attempt was made using my Nikon FE, relying on its normally terrific metering. Experienced shooters will immediately recognize where this all went wrong for me. What I learned was in an otherwise dark scene, and seemingly regardless of the location within the scene, any bright source of light would cause the image to be significantly underexposed in “A” mode. This is one of those things one realizes after reviewing the scans, while simultaneously exclaiming, “Duh?” out loud. Or, maybe that’s just me. Further complicating matters, the low light condition makes it so I couldn’t see the needles on the typically intuitive meter inside the viewfinder on the FE to shoot manually.

Recently, my wife and I were headed to dinner with friends, so I thought it would be an excellent opportunity to experiment with Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200. This time, I brought my Leica M3 with a Summicron-M 50mm f/2 attached. (Saying it like this makes it sounds as if I have a vast selection of Leica glass, when in fact this is the lens I have for it) I thought this might be a better setup for low light shooting for a few reasons. First, at 3200, I would be able to shoot some around f/4, and at shutter speeds between 1/30 and 1/60, meaning the odds of nailing focus would be better. This is especially true when it was so challenging to detect sharpness through the viewfinder. Second, as good as the old F-mount Nikkor lenses are, I’ve found to my untrained and neophyte eyes, my Summicron has a much gentler fall-off wide open, making images I thought for sure would be soft focused look sharper than I thought possible. And, finally, I have a KEKS KM02 light meter I keep in the M3’s cold shoe. I do not believe it measures light any better than the Nikon’s internal meter does. However, the display is a bright LED making it easy to read in dim light.

What I learned from this experience was things like candles, white sweaters, and bright reflections anywhere in the scene really trip up the meter. Without a spot meter in-hand, it is easy to be fooled by what the meter suggests. I think based on this experience, I will make a conscious note to identify these items in a shot, and adjust the exposure by at least one or two full stops. Any tips from the more experienced low-light shooters is welcomed in the comments.

Finally, as I use a lab for all my developing, I can’t speak to how it was processed. I used Darkroom Lab here in Southern California, merely indicating “+3” on the canister. I think they did a superb job. But, perhaps processing my own black and white film is in my future.

Cheers! Leica M3, Summicron-M 50mm f/2, Ilford HP5 +3
Cheers! Leica M3, Summicron-M 50mm f/2, Ilford HP5 +3
Serious conversation. Leica M3, Summicron-M 50mm f/2, Ilford HP5 +3
Leica M3, Summicron-M 50mm f/2, Ilford HP5 +3

 

Mimi. Leica M3, Summicron-M 50mm f/2, Ilford HP5 +3
Leica M3, Summicron-M 50mm f/2, Ilford HP5+3
Leica M3, Summicron-M 50mm f/2, Ilford HP5+3

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By Bradley Newman
Financial professional, vintage auto racer, and hugely amateurish photographer located somewhere close to Los Angeles, California.
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Rajat Srivastava on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Some very atmospheric shots there. The first one seems perfectly exposed for the subject. Perhaps because there is no other light source to confuse the light meter.

Were the scans you sent received JPEGs or Raw/DNG files? I push film a lot on my M3, tend to develop myself and then get a lot more details from the underexposed shadows. I am sure you can do the same for a couple of these

Thanks for sharing
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Thanks, Rajat. They send .jpg files. And, I think you’re right about taking over the processing myself. I did it when I was a kid in my dad’s darkroom. I just need to convince my better half it would be a perfect use of a spare bedroom!

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Nik Stanbridge on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Great images! Very sharp and surprisingly fine grained. I tried HP5 at 1600 with my M3/Cron and was very happy with the results in Rodinal (metered from the cold shoe too). I’ll try 3200 but maybe not in Rodinal…
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Thanks, Nik!

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Johnny Martyr on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

I love seeing people get into low light photography with film. So many just stop shooting at night and I think that's a shame.

In addition to your observation about white - it's important when metering to consider what you are metering FOR. Light meters are generally designed to correctly expose 15% grey. So it's important to have a working understanding of what this looks like and find it in your scenes. When I'm shooting in very dim light, I look for something darker than 15% grey to expose for, particularly when push processing. When you shoot a 400 ISO film at EI 3200, you are making a thinner, more contrasty negative and it's going to have much less grey tonality than if you shot 400 ISO at 400 ISO or 3200 ISO at 3200 ISO. By exposing for (aiming your meter at) subjects that are a little darker than 15% grey but not quite what I'd call "shadows," you boost the brightness of everything in your scene up a little.

You don't necessarily need a spot meter, you just need to get a feel for how your center-weighted averaging meter "sees" and how your film reacts to that setting.

So in your photos, which are a great set, your faces are often covered shadow where they *should* be 15% grey to highlights in range.

It's very popular right now to push 400 films beyond 1600 rather than getting the grain of 3200 speed films at box speed or around it. I can appreciate this but also find that exposure needs to be increasingly accurate the further you push. This is difficult when shooting candids and the QUALITY of light (how contrasty or flat it is) also plays a major role in how the final images turn out.

I encourage you to keep working in low light and also recommend trying grainier, but more tonal TMAX P3200 and Delta 3200 as well as applying the 15% grey thinking I mentioned. For these shots, you concentrated on getting accurate focus and exposure. I would make your next step to dial in the tonality on subjects, particularly faces and learn about that relationship.

Also, glad you found the Achilles Heel of match and swing needle light meter displays, OLED is so much better for low light work! And you can't go wrong with an M3 and a Cron either of course.

Great work, and thanks for sharing. Wow, you race vintage cars? That sounds awesome!
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Thanks so much for the tips and feedback! I’m looking forward to trying some 3200 speed film soon. I love that it’s challenging. That’s what makes the occasional great result so satisfying.

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David Hill on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Bradley, those are pretty good. I have a Leica M4 with the 50mm F2 Summicron, and I use HP5+, but have never pushed it beyond 1600. That is about to change. I usually use Ilford ID11, which only pushes to 1600, but what the hell, I can experiment!
Thank you!
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

David, thanks for reading. I can’t wait to see your pushed-film results!

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M. I. Droz on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Thanks for sharing your experience. I have both cameras so experience with each. A few comments, ehich hopefully will add to, and not repeat, the other informative comments already posted. First, the FE meter is center weighted. My experience suggests that in high contrast but largely dominated by a shadow, putting the highlight in the middle willl result in under exposure. That appears to be what your images reveal. Second, without seeing the negative it’s hard to know if your scans may already have attempted to “fix” the exposure and contrast. Labs are good at that but they will assert their own judgement about what looks best. Third, when in doubt on a scene that you really want to get right, shoot half stop brackets — one as metered and two on either end. Finally, take the plunge on home development. With experience you will be able to dial in with high precision how your preferred film stock and developer handle non normal exposure. Pair this with doing your own scans and you can get the output you want with more consistency lots to be said about that, but not in this post.
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Thanks. I think you’re spot on about home development. Soon.

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Bill Brown on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Totally agree with Johnny M. about the 15% grey. I worked with a wedding photographer back in the early eighties as his 2nd shooter. My job was images during the ceremony without flash. We were probably shooting Vericolor in those 500 CM's and I usually shot handheld since I was moving around a lot. You just learn what settings work after doing this for awhile but Jim told me to meter the back of my hand in front of the camera as if it were the grey card. I have used this method so many times since then in a wide range of lighting and it has never let me down.

Secondly, if you are shooting a scene while locked down on a tripod and want to shoot at like f8 or smaller aperture you just need to open up the lens to the widest setting, take a light reading then do the math to find the correct exposure for the corresponding aperture you want.
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Art Meripol on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

I was surprised by the tones and lack of graininess I would have expected. very nice. All my years of shooting B&W film in days gone by I almost never pushed to 3200 unless the shot was critical. Maybe the HP5 works better than the Tri-X I was using. Got something new to try.
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Thanks. Give it a try! I look forward to seeing your results.

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AZD on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

I like your “Cheers!” picture, it’s exactly the kind of image that makes low light photography fun. It looks like you’re well on your way. Of course we’ll all vary slightly in approach, but I find HP5 so flexible it’s hard to get wrong. When the light gets low I pretty much ignore the meter and work from memory. Bright-ish outdoor night scenes: 1/60 @ f4, and adjust depending on how well the subject is lit. When it’s very dark I’ll simply open the lens as far as it goes (f2, f1.2, whatever…) and use the slowest shutter speed I can get away with. Then in development I’ll use double the speed rating I was aiming for (1600 for 800, 3200 for 1600, etc.) to pull up the shadows with reduced agitation (light inversion every 2 minutes) to keep bright lights in check. Basically an entirely empirical approach, yet it works very well. HP5 is magic. The real advantage of such a rudimentary approach is that it lets me mostly forget about exposure and instead concentrate on the subject.

Best of luck with the next round, and have fun!
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Thanks for the feedback. It’s sure seeming like I’m going to have to start processing my own film soon.

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Grant B on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

The old technique was to meter off the back of your hand. If the people you are photographing are fairer skinned than you, stop down/speed up the shutter and vice versa.
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 25/02/2024

Good tip.

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Geoff Chaplin on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 26/02/2024

I too am surprised by the lack of grain.
For metering I trust incident light readings, and sunny 16 (i.e.experience), before reflected light readings.
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Ibraar Hussain on 5 Frames with a Leica M3 & Ilford HP5 pushed to 3200

Comment posted: 28/02/2024

Great stuff! The tones and fine-ness are fantastic!
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Bradley Newman replied:

Comment posted: 28/02/2024

Thank you!

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