The aim was noble I think. To retake underground 1 and 2 shots on film. I would necessarily need to expose either slow film using a tripod (anathema to me, and permission would be required from the museum) or use a fast film hand held at slowish shutter speeds. I chose the latter and picked HP5+ to be stand developed in Rodinal – stand developing being a compensating process allowing the underexposed areas to be developed for longer while controlling the development of the highlights giving a full tonal scale. Or so the story goes.
I should add 400asa and I have a history together. It’s over 50 years since I used high speed film regularly – and that was to photograph meteors. Times after that when I used 400asa film I can only say I disliked the results. And still do. And the results of the retakes have done nothing to change my mind. I don’t like fast film. Got that?
I retook images using a Leica MP, incident light metering, the same 50mm Zeiss Sonnar as in the previous articles but just for fun I also took along my Voigtlander 15mm f4.5 lens. Yes, f4.5. With the Sonnar at f2 and exposing at box speed exposure time was generally 1/30 to 1/15 of a second. F4.5 you say? Yes, exposures generally 1/8 to ¼ second. Bear in mind the 15mm focal length can be handheld easily to give sharp images at 1/15 second, so for both lenses I’m only talking about 1 to 2 stops longer exposure than that. It puzzles me that digital photographers with 5 stops of image stabilisation sometimes take snapshots using a tripod in bright sunshine – what the hell are they doing? Sorry, I’m in a grumpy mood today.
Film was scanned on a Sony A7Riii and Sigma 105mm macro lens. I tried rescanning with different setting to get as much from the highlights as possible – with limited success. It will be interesting to see how wet process prints cope.






The underground remains of the palace are far more extensive than the sewer tour – the latter being essentially just a short walk by the underground river and another short walk over a main sewer, while the palace offers the opportunity to get lost at least on a first visit.



I’ve probably made it clear that I’m not happy with the results on HP5+, primarily because of the blown highlights which you probably noticed, let alone the post-apocalyptic grain. Pyro developer would have handled both better at the cost of another one or two stops exposure and the need for a tripod. Had I taken that route I would have also chosen FP4+ film instead.
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jfbonnin on Underground 3: retakes on HP5+
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Jeffery Luhn on Underground 3: retakes on HP5+
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Yes, your highlights are blown out, but could better scans help? There still may be detail in there.
The more I use HP5+, the more I like it. In the 1970s- through 1990s, I used Tri-X as my ISO 400 film and was never satisfied. During that time I used D-76 1:1. The results were often flat with lots of grain. Results from Plus-X, however were stellar. I rarely shot 35mm B&W during those days, although we did use short loads of Panatomic X for head shots with strobes. Fine grain, of course.
When I took up B&W again a few years ago, the school was buying Ilford value packs with two rolls of HP5+ and 25 sheets of multigrade paper. Each student got 4 packs for free. Being the instructor, I jumped into 35mm HP5+ and HC-110 dilution B. Wow, I was impressed. It was about the same as Kodak Plus X. I usually shoot HP5+ at box speed unless the lighting is contrasty, and then I go to 320 or even 200 and pull back on development. I also use HP5 for 120 and 4x5. Occasionally I'll use Pyro if the contrast is super high.
Of course the locations you shot have extreme highlights from the wall lighting, but I'm thinking that those highlights still may be printable unless the film was over developed. What developer and times were used?
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Louis A. Sousa on Underground 3: retakes on HP5+
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Russ Rosener on Underground 3: retakes on HP5+
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Sure some of these shots have crushed shadows and blown highlights. Others have a very good tonal range.But the point is these feel like a journey into the underworld, as they should! A photograph is more than the sum of its parts. It is a creative interpretation of reality. Not reality itself. The small handheld 35mm camera with fast black an white film is the epitome of that first person point of view. If you're going to drag a tripod and spot meter down into the underworld then you may as well drag a view camera along with you. Technically the images would be perfect. But would they be evocative of anything other than technique?
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Ibraar Hussain on Underground 3: retakes on HP5+
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Masterfully done as usual Geoff !
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