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The Ricoh FF-8WR – one roll review

The Ricoh FF-8WR is one of a bunch of compact cameras that I didn’t recently get shot of. This might sound like an odd distinction to make, but recently I parted company with about 15 cameras that I’d come to the conclusion I wasn’t going to get around to writing about. The reason was, whilst most of them had intrigued me enough to buy them, I didn’t find them unique enough in their merits to put a roll of film through them. The Ricoh FF-8WR is one that just tipped the balance. It’s a camera that through a couple features that are less frequently found in cameras like these, I decided to load and shoot a roll…

So what is so interesting about the Ricoh FF-8WR? Well, that depends on your perspective. I suspect a great many people wouldn’t find this camera that interesting at all, but let’s face it, it wouldn’t be the first time I’d been interested in a camera that fits into that category. The two more unusual features for a camera of this ilk are the 28mm lens and it’s apparent water resistant nature. Nothing mind blowing maybe, but combine that with the fact it’s a Ricoh, and I had reasonably high hopes!

Water resistance

To be honest, I don’t have a first clue about what “water resistant” actually means. I bet there is some sort of ISO standard somewhere, but I can’t be bothered to do the relevant research – a geek I might be, but we all have our limits. Water resistant on my Casio wrist watch when I was a kid was denoted by a depth. 50 meters often seemed to be the depth a watch could go to. Even as a kid I wondered how often watches actually went to 50m under water. I remember thinking it can’t be that often, but it didn’t matter really, it was still a measure of how good a watch was when showing off to friends. I digress, water resistant on a camera is seemingly not the same thing. In fact I doubt very much this camera can actually be submerged at all. What I suspect is the case is that this camera can – if you should desire to do so – be used in what might be considered “slightly heavy rain”. If I get a chance, I shall attempt to test this theory, though I don’t like going out in the rain much…

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The 28mm lens

Next to this water resistance, and possibly of slightly more interest, is the 28mm lens. 28mm lenses are not all that common in compact cameras so this is always a little bit of a draw for me. The lens has a maximum aperture of f/4.5, and sits behind what I guess is part of the system for keeping it water resistant. Regardless of whether the camera is on or off, the lens doesn’t project any further out from the front of the body. This is nice from a handling perspective, but I’m never convinced that the overall quality of the images from cameras like these wouldn’t be better without the extra bit of plastic in the way of the lens. I thought about removing this front piece, but looking inside you can see parts of the lens mechanism, so decided that was probably a bit to risky.

Image quality (or lack thereof)

In terms of image quality, well, let me start by telling you that reading online I found a few references to the Ricoh FF-8WR lens as having “appeal to the lomo crowd”. When I thought about it, I didn’t really know what that meant…? A vignette, bright colour, a bit soft..?? I’m not sure? Maybe it just means it’s a bit shit? Well, it’s fair to say, if “a bit shit” is your definition of what “the lomo crowd” are looking for then, this camera is definitely what the lomo crowd are looking for. Let’s start with flare. Have you ever seen a photo that looks like this?

Family walk in Malvern

I thought it might be a error on the part of the people who dev’ed it to start with, but looking at the other photos, I think it’s just a reflection between the front element and the plastic water resistant screen. Any shot with the source of light even remotely in or near the frame I got flare.

Family walk in Malvern

Family walk in Malvern

Beyond this we have smearing and softness. Any kind of contrasty scene results in the light being smeared.

Family walk in Malvern

But beyond even that there seems to be some localised softness in the middle of some of the frames. You would think this was down to a bit of crap being on the lens, but I cleaned it before we went out.

Family walk in Malvern

Then there’s the heavy vignette, which to be fair, I don’t mind in isolation, but combined with the rest of the lenses character feels a little more like it’s just another reason to pick fault.

Family walk in Malvern

This all said, it’s hard to argue with the fact the somehow the lens creates character with a serendipitous charm. It is this I suppose that defines what “the lomo crowd” like. Not shit per se, just tending toward inconsistent for the benefit creating weird and wonderful effects.

Family walk in Malvern

Ok, so the lens is a bit crap, but it is water resistant and it’s a Ricoh. Previous experience of Ricoh compact cameras leads me to believe it should be at last half decent to use, right? No, wrong, it’s awful, really, truly, awful!

Autofocus

There are then a bunch of cheap wide angle point & shoot cameras with 28mm or wider lenses – the Canon AF10 is an example that immediately springs to mind. These camera are so basic, that if they auto focus at all, they use such basic systems of AF that they mostly rely on the depth of field of a slightly slow wide angle lens to ensure focus. From what I can tell, the Ricoh FF-8WR sits firmly in this group of cameras. Autofocus, yes, but it’s very limited.

That said, regardless of how it gains focus, it seems to work ok for for basic snaps in the outdoors… Or at least, if you can see past the smeariness, you can see that it at least tried to focus accurately even if the shit lens let it down. Of course, the real difficulty arises where your subject isn’t central to the frame. This camera lacks even the luxury of a half press for autofocus lock. It really is a true point and poke camera.

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Flash Function

One of the nice things about cameras who’s lenses don’t project out of the front of the camera is that at no point do they need switching off. A camera you don’t need to switch off, is a camera that – at least in the case of a great many point and shoot cameras – will retain the flash settings that you choose. Unfortunately, in the case of the Ricoh FF-8WR, this is not the case. Flash modes are set per shot.

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The default flash state is of course auto. The Ricoh FF-8WR then has two override buttons, the button on the front of the camera is force flash on, or ‘fill’ flash, there is then a second button on top of the camera that prevents the flash from firing when pressed. In the case of both of these buttons they have to be held down at the moment the shutter button is depressed. This is also the case for the red eye reduction flash.

I have mixed feelings toward this way of functioning. I quite like it on other Ricoh cameras where the flash is prevented from firing by physically holding it down, and this isn’t really that far from that mark. The problem is, the buttons are so damned fiddly, and not really placed where they come to hand that easily meaning to operate them I find myself looking at the camera for every photo.

Handling and in use

Back to that non-projecting lens for a moment, I just wanted to mention that because of it, the camera can be left switched on and carried around ready to shoot in the knowledge that the lens won’t get damaged… Great, or at least it would be if it were true! Unfortunately there’s a battery saving mode that switches the camera off after after a fairly short period of time. There is a handy green light by the viewfinder that seems to signal ‘flash ready’, if this is off, it at least warns you the camera has powered down.

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Of course, if you’re anything like me, it will catch you out time and time again. I wouldn’t mind if it powered down after a half hour, but it’s about 5 minutes, and when using it I swear the power down time got shorter. Every time I took it out of my pocket I had to switch it back on, and most of the time I forgot.

Then once I had realised it was off, switched it on and put it to my eye, things still didn’t improve. I accept that this camera is a few years old and therefore perhaps not as free from dust as it might have once been. But the viewfinder in mine is filled with crap that makes it near impossible to see through. How can a weather resistant camera have a dusty viewfinder? I’d have thought dust should be kept out just as efficiently as water is. On top of this the frame lines are basically non-existent and completely disappear with even slightly bright subject. In short, framing was basically impossible.

Family walk in Malvern

I didn’t see my shadow in the frame

Handling otherwise is ok I suppose. The Ricoh FF-8WR has that 90s bar of soap appearance that leaves it feeling somewhat devoid of style. It is rounded though, and is therefore reasonably comfortable to hold. It’s not too big either. And I suppose giving it some credit there, that lack of any half press or complicated autofocus means it’s very snappy when you do press the shutter button. Though if I’m honest, every time I pressed it this just reminded of how crap the camera was, rather than how good it was…

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My concluding thoughts…

So… I bet it’s fairly obvious how I feel about the Ricoh FF-8WR? You guessed it, I think it’s bloody awful! Now, if your reading this review thinking I’m biased, maybe this is the first time you’ve come across this website, maybe your thinking I normally shoot a Leica and I think that everything short of a Leica is crap? Well that’s just not the case. For the same £1.49 you might pay for this lump of shite in a charity shop, you might choose the Olympus AF-10 sat on the shelf next to it – a camera that in many ways is just as basic, but actually takes a half decent photo. I really do like some compact cameras, there is a lot of joy to be had from their simplicity. But for this joy to be present there needs to be at least a couple of redeeming features. This camera is almost entirely devoid of anything that would make me want to pick it up again.

In summary, thanks to the dust in the viewfinder I don’t believe it’s very well resistant to water, it’s horrible to use in every regard and it takes objectively bad photos. I suppose I should say, if it was otherwise wonderful to use (and maybe lacked the localised softness near centre frame that might be specific to my copy), I might be taken in by the slightly whimsical charm of the photos it takes. I quite like that glow, and in some cases the flare does lead to interesting results… But really, even then it would just be a novelty rather than anything if shoot in any serious way. As such, My recommendation is to not be fooled by it like I was, there are many great Ricoh cameras that share the ‘FF’ prefix (the FF90 is one of the best), but this Ricoh FF-8WR is not one of them!


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    Charles
    March 5, 2016 at 9:50 am

    I bought one of these a couple of years ago and was equally disappointed. Usually soft, with flare (sometimes in the form of a vertical arc) and the tiny flash-off button is a pain. I put a shot from the camera on my photoblog a while ago but I’m not sure I’m going to let it stay:

    https://fractionsoflight.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/the-old-bathing-station-bexhill-ricoh-ff-8aw/

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      Hamish Gill
      March 5, 2016 at 9:52 am

      There’s those bright colours again! It really is lomotastic (I’m not sure if Lomography use that word, if not, I think they should!)

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    Blinx
    March 5, 2016 at 10:03 am

    Hard to believe the company responsible for the GR series with the same focal length, could be responsible for such a crock. As the owner of more than a few bad compacts, I find black and white grainy film hides a multitude of optical sins. Favourite are fixed shutter speed, single aperture, manual wind cameras – like a disposable with a door on the back (the Olympus Shoot and Go being current favourite). No focus or start up lag, no noisy advance, and interesting lens aberrations.
    I agree on the front “filter” issue. Removing them usually sees optical quality going up a leap, but ensures crap gets inside. That said, I enjoy reading about all these lame horses and the occasional winners that emerge.

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      Hamish Gill
      March 5, 2016 at 10:31 am

      I’m tempted to extract the lens and see if I can mount it to one of my rangefinders … Despite the fact it’s a working camera, I don’t feel particularly motivated not to kill it off for the good…

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        Tony
        March 7, 2016 at 6:18 pm

        It wouldn’t be for the good, Hamish! Mounting that lens to a rangefinder would be like mounting a lawnmower motor to a decent car.

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    Aukje
    March 5, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    I see similar flare with my Tele-Elmarit 90mm lens, although not exactly the same. With my T-Elmarit there seems to be a very fine line between unacceptable flare and a great photo, depending on the angle towards the sun. As I mainly shoot digital I can check on site on which site of the line I am.

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    Dominik Mrzyk
    March 5, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    Hamish, I’d say that “WR” in name stands for “Weather Resistant” (look at the sticker!). That would explain a lot ;P

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      Hamish Gill
      March 5, 2016 at 9:53 pm

      haha, you my friend are a smart cookie! You are right of course!

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      Tony
      March 7, 2016 at 6:20 pm

      Try it underwater. It may be genius for photographing fish.

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    joby
    March 8, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    Doesn’t look that bad to me!

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      Hamish Gill
      March 8, 2016 at 10:01 pm

      Click on the one of the leaves, It’ll take you to Flickr where you can get a closer look … You’ll see what I’m talking about

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    Ken Hindle-May
    March 14, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    That’s some of the strangest lens flare I’ve ever seen. It almost looks like a bad light leak in some of the shots! I quite like the look overall, but the central smeariness ruins it for me.

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      Hamish Gill
      March 14, 2016 at 2:37 pm

      Mad isn’t it – It does make me wonder if the camera is just broken

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    Rob
    May 21, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    Hi Hamish,
    I also have this camera rebranded as the Revue AW700P in Germany. The AW stands for All Weather and the P is for panorama, since it has a panorama mask. They are identical cameras but I get some good shots with mine without the flare. Here’s one:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/robbie333/36783873950/in/photolist-Y3sYch.
    I have compared photos of both the Revue model and the Ricoh model and they are really the same body and controls. Maybe the lens is different. I bought mine because I thought I could cheap out on buying a poor man’s Nikon AF500 (Maybe why the Revue is similarly named…?) and I ended up buying the Nikon anyway. A much superior camera. But the little revue ain’t too bad.

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