Shooting Ektachrome E100

Shooting my first rolls of the new Kodak Ektachrome E100 – Part 1 – Roll No.1

Kodak Alaris recently sent me a brick of Ektachrome E100 to play with. As someone who hasn’t shot much reversal film before, I promised a bit of a series of posts documenting my early experiences. I had it all planned out – first I was going to shoot a roll in something with a fancy evaluative meter, and then from there I would work my way up to shooting it with something a little more manual. I then got cocky, and just went straight for the Leica M3.

The outcome – partly thanks to me overthinking what I was doing, and on at least one occasion due to me forgetting to set the exposure index on my light meter – was, well, a little mixed. Fortunately, I do feel like I’ve learned a lot, and regardless of a few mistakes, I’ve still managed to achieve a few shots that I’m really happy with… and I guess that’s the main thing!

The Shoot

My first frame was taken out of the bathroom window of my house. I didn’t think I’d wound the film on enough, so wasn’t expecting a full frame to come out and so wasn’t really thinking about what I was doing. It was taken at f/11 and 1/500th of a second – I remember thinking I’d underexposed it after I’d taken the shot.

First Roll of Ektachrome

The underexposed shows in the result. I managed to get something out of the frame, but if I pushed it much further than this in the scan or Lightroom it started to look a little bit crappy with some murky colours and more obvious grain. Not the best start, but it’s all useful information as far as the learning curve goes.

Being aware of the fact that I’d underexposed the very first photo I’d taken with this film, I quickly decided to revert to using a light meter. My chosen light meter for this first roll was to be the Lumu app in reflected mode. I use this app a fair bit and am quite comfortable with how it works and how reliable it is. Just prior to the first outing, I opened the app, set the exposure index to 100 ISO. I then took this shot of Connie in the living room.

First Roll of Ektachrome

Unfortunately, I can’t quite remember the settings, but I remember thinking that I was probably just about exposing ok for her face, with much of background of the frame likely to be a little dark. Having no experience scanning E100 yet, I just notched the density correction down a little in the scanner interface to ensure the scanner didn’t try to correct for all of the shadow areas. The result was a frame that entered Lightroom looking fairly blue-shifted. Fortunately, it was very easy to correct for this blue-shift. Combine this correction with a scan and post-process that ensured the shadow areas remained in shadow meant that the image came out quite nicely.

I then went out shooting. Somehow, in the time between setting the meter to EI100 in the house and taking the first shots, the meter had reset to 400. The Lumu app does this sometimes – though I suspect user-error is probably at the core of the issue. Regardless, with my concentration being so focused on the fact that I was shooting this new-to-me film, I just didn’t notice. The result of this was a series of photos that were quite underexposed. More frustration!

Well, actually, it sort of turned out ok. When I came to scan these underexposed frames – combined with the shot of Hannah in the garden and Connie in the lounge – it all gave me a bit of appreciation for dealing with underexposure with Kodak E100 within my workflow. Now admittedly, some of the frames where I’d worried a little bit about losing highlights were a write-off. The combination intentional and non-intentional underexposure added up to a couple of frames that there was simply no saving. Here is a perfect example:

But, there were a couple of the frames where I’d taken a reading at EI400 and then without much further thought just taken the shot. These frames needed a little more care in the scan, and then some gentle nudging in Lightroom to correct for a bit of a colour-shift, but – like the shot of Hannah in the garden – provided I didn’t try and pull too much out of the shadows and tended toward a lower-key look – they actually came out quite nicely.

First Roll of Ektachrome

The blue shift actually worked really well with the blue car here too, so I just left it as was – it’s not accurate, but I quite like it nonetheless!

First Roll of Ektachrome

This next frame was the first I took where I had noticed that the light meter was set wrong. I set it to EI100 and then took a reading using the iPhone app with a similar framing to what you see in the photo. I’m quite pleased with how it came out. The exposure is nice and even and tonally its really nice, and importantly there was very little faffing with the colour in Lightroom to correct for anything the scanner did. In terms of colour, this is pretty much how it came out of the scanner and Lightroom.

First Roll of Ektachrome

The next two shots are of my youngest. The first I unintentionally underexposed, the second, I intentionally slightly overexposed. I’m not sure what I did in the first image in the garden, I remember I was just aiming for correct exposure, but I think I might have set it based on a part of the garden that had more light. I’m not too sure, but either way the result was an image that was a touch underexposed. Again, I still managed to pull something out in the scan and Lightroom that looks ok.

First Roll of Ektachrome

For this next shot of Norah I decided that a bit of overexposure wouldn’t go amis. The Lumu app is quite good at taking an average reading that you can judge by looking at the readout on the screen, but with all the white in the frame I decided to give it a bit more juice. I can’t remember the settings, but I think I was about 2/3rds of a stop over what the light meter told me.

First Roll of Ektachrome

What’s really interesting about this is that when looking at the film, it looked to be the best exposed shot of the lot, and I wasn’t the only person to notice this. I had this roll developed by Duncan at Silverpan Labs. I usually use AG, but on this occasion I decided I wanted a little more feedback on my exposures. Duncan prides himself of giving this level of service, so it struck me that he’d be the right guy for this particular job.

After I started scanning the roll and found this particular frame to be the best, I asked him how the exposures looked generally. He commented specifically on this frame saying that it was the best exposed with a lot of the rest of the better frames looking like they needed a tiny bit more light. When I told him that I’d overexposed this frame, he explained that quite often when he shoots this film he shoots evenly lit scenes at EI50-80 and has heard from a lot of people that do the same. He then went on to say that I shouldn’t be afraid to give Kodak E100 a bit more light in general, that obviously it doesn’t have the latitude of some negative films, but it’s better with a little more light than a little less.

This really rings true in my results. Entering this brave new world of reversal film, I think the main issue I had was with the preconception that highlights are a lot easier to lose. I suspect we’ve all heard the reversal film is harder to shoot than negative film. The reality is, like any media, for best results you just need to expose correctly for your subject. Try as I might to hammer this mantra into my head, I couldn’t help but be worried about, or at least overly conscious of highlights.

In response to this, my biggest problem – even with shots that I had the light meter set properly – was actually with slight underexposure. This whole next set of shots was taken out on a walk with the family, and in every single one of them I made the same slight mistake. I’d take a meter reading, and then I’d slightly err toward under, rather than over, or even correct exposure.

This is what I was talking about when I said at the beginning of the post that I over-thought the whole process. Rather than just do what the light meter said – and in fact what I know to be the right thing to do – I let my preconceptions about how reversal film works get in the way.

Combine this with the fact that specifically E100 apparently seems to respond ok to slight overexposure in favour of slight underexposure, and I found myself with a little more work do do in the scan/Lightroom. Actually, with these shots, there wasn’t much to do – only the shop front and the short of the Abbey were notably under. Another lesson learned for the next roll.

First Roll of Ektachrome

First Roll of Ektachrome

First Roll of Ektachrome

First Roll of Ektachrome

First Roll of Ektachrome

First Roll of Ektachrome

As I’ll come to in a second, this wasn’t to be the last lesson I’d learn from this roll either. Unfortunately, not every frame was able to teach me something. A couple I ballsed up, and just can’t remember what I did wrong. This next one is the best example of that. Beautiful sunny day, so I used the sunny-16 rule – what could go wrong?

First Roll of Ektachrome

Well, in short, I don’t know what I did wrong – the only thing I can think is that I forgot I was shooting a 100 speed film and set the camera to f/16 or f/11 and 1/500th… But really, I have no idea. It’s actually confused me so much, I have sent the M3 back to Alan Starkie to check the shutter – you know what they say about a good photographer blaming his tools and all that! One way or another, no amount of tweaking was going to make this frame any less shit.

At this stage in the roll, I was starting to feel like I knew what I was doing – daft really, in hindsight, as I’d made more mistakes than not by this point. But anyway, I decided I should experiment a bit. One of the key learnings I wanted to be able to take away from this first roll was how well this film dealt with high contrast scenes. Walking into town one day, I had the perfect opportunity to experiment.

First Roll of Ektachrome

For this first image I set the exposure by using the Lumu app and adjusting the framing on the screen until I was happy with how the image looked combined with settings that I felt made sense for the amount of light. I then transferred the exact settings to the camera. Using the Lumu app like this almost feels like cheating it makes it so easy, but I can’t think of any good reason to deny myself the technology. It turned out well too – the image on the film looked good, and it scanned without much issue too. There isn’t much to be pulled out of the shadows, without introducing grain at least, but I guess that’s what is to be expected from reversal film. And really, I do like how it came out!

This second image I was more worried about the extent of white in the frame. The sun was really glaring off the walls, so with my fear of overexposure in mind, I underexposed a bit compared to the previous shot. This was a mistake; it didn’t turn out as well as I hoped, with the scan looking quite murky. I managed to fix it up in Lightroom ok, but I’m not sure it has come out as nicely as the previous shot. Pulling anything at all out of the shadows revealed quite a bit of grain, more even than in similar levels of shadow in the the previous frame. I should have just left the settings as they were from the previous frame, in fact, I’m not sure why I didn’t… again, too much overthinking!

First Roll of Ektachrome

As an extension of this experiment, I then thought I’d take a wonder down a couple of dark alleyways. There’s one in particular that’s right by my office that I walk down most days. With the walls quite tight and at least a couple of stories high, even on a sunny day, it’s quite dark down there in places. In fact, as it turns out, it was at least a full 5ev darker than outside of the alley – know, because I actually wrote down the settings for these shots….

This first image was shot at 1/250th and f/7.1, which seeing as the sunshine was slightly muted by thin cloud would have been slightly underexposed even in the street outside of the alley. Suffice to say, it came out fairly underexposed. A shame, since the man walking toward me up the alley was quite smartly dressed – it would have made an ok photo of I’d not been fucking around.

First Roll of Ektachrome

This second shot, was exposed 5ev differently at 1/50th and f/2.8. It’s still a little underexposed for the subject, but I thought it was quite telling that the very bright area at the end of the alley was dull in the previous photo and washed out to white in this one.

First Roll of Ektachrome

This final image was another sunny 16 rule miss. Again, I’m not sure what happened, but looking at the rest of my results, I would think I was at least 2ev underexposed. Again, I can only think I had the wrong film speed in mind. That, or I’m much crapper at judging the light than I think I am. Either way, this was another frame that came out of the scanner with a blue-cast. In the end though, whilst it might not be the best frame from the roll, once tweaked I quite like how it looks!
First Roll of Ektachrome

Lessons Learned

So what have a learned? Well, first off, having not shot reversal film in any meaningful way before, I can tell you for free that it’s not a good idea to try and be clever. The first thing I would recommend any do when shooting any film is to aim to expose it properly the first time you shoot it.

That said, trying to be clever has taught me a few things here. Fortunately for me, I do at least have enough context and experience to work out where and how I went wrong. Without this experience, I would have probably been quite frustrated at the results. Instead, I’m just a little frustrated at myself.

More specifically to Kodak Ectachrome E100, I do feel like I have learned quite a lot about how this film responds to light. For a start, I’ve learned that a little bit of overexposure is probably better than a little bit of underexposure. I’ve learned that 2ev of underexposure – at least when scanning and processing the way I do – can still result in a decent image, provided that I put a bit more work into the scan and Lightroom processes. I have also learned that 5ev of underexposure will mean a well dressed man will disappear completely into shadows making me wish I hadn’t been messing about and had just taken the photo properly! I suppose that’s just part of the gamble of trying new things though…?

What’s next?

Since shooting this roll, I’ve shot another two rolls, both of which haven’t gone entirely to plan either. The first was in my Hexar RF which decided to fail on me half way through the roll – its now gone off to have an issue with the frame counter fixed. I shot quite a few frames on that roll metering just using the camera’s meter in a fairly point & shoot way – it will be interesting to see how those come out. I also shot a couple in very low light when I was a little inebriated, but I don’t have much hope for those, if I’m honest!

The second roll was shot in my Olympus XA4 which I dropped half way through. This resulted in the back popping open and the camera landing film up. I was in a fairly low-lit room, so I am hopeful that all is not lost. If there are some frames that remained unscathed, it will be interesting to see how well the results come out of a fairly elderly point & shoot.

I shall, of course, be back with some thoughts on those two rolls in due course! In the meanwhile any thoughts so far, please feel free to share them!

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    Eric
    May 13, 2019 at 9:46 am

    One more very good pics. Nice film : slides films have really more dynamic.

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      Hazza Bigcock
      May 14, 2019 at 10:50 am

      Well that was a fairly good cockup hey? lol
      But at least you got one absolute ripper of your daughter innit.

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    Terry B
    May 13, 2019 at 10:55 am

    Hi, Hamish. Welcome to the world of slide film.
    This has been an interesting read. I’d basically forgotten my own initial trials and tribulations when I first ventured into using slide film around 1965 or so using a Weston V + Invercone with my non-metered cameras. Film then was Kodachrome and Ektachrome, and later I would use Orwochrome occasionally for its unusual colour rendition.
    I’m intrigued by this film’s response to variations in exposure either side of what may considered correct. I believe your lab has really highlighted that this film, or the batch you received, is not correctly rated at ISO 100, and this is based on the preponderance to under exposure you experienced, and I say this fully recognising your admitted “errors” and which won’t have helped.
    I generally shot at -1/3 to -1/2 a stop with reflected light readings when I couldn’t take a proper highlight reading with the Weston, and -1/3 when I could. This helped preserve highlights. This was my preference for a more saturated slide, but other than this, the under exposure didn’t seem to affect the results. But everything with exposure is a combination of meter and shutter accuracy, so the final result could be neutral, with any departure from correct being cancelled out, or they could be cumulative, and veering to under or over exposure. This was why slide film, with its restricted latitude, was a good means for checking our system’s exposure accuracy as an integrated unit.
    Admittedly only based on your initial experiences I’m not sure this film is as good as Kodak’s two famous offerings of the past.
    However, I do have a question that probably is more relevant today then when slides and slide shows were more common family entertainment: why shoot slide film and then have it digitised? To be seen at their best, slides really do have to be projected.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 11:35 am

      Interesting, I will ask for thoughts about this from Kodak. As for why, as with any film, to achieve a particular look.

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      Alvaro
      May 13, 2019 at 10:39 pm

      For that matter, why shoot slide film and then have it printed on a magazine or album cover?

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        Terry B
        May 14, 2019 at 9:27 am

        Alvaro, the answer to that one is slide film was superior than negative film and didn’t have to go through a neg/pos process. Furthermore, magazine editors needed to assess the image beforehand on a light box and you simply can’t do this with a negative.

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    Matt
    May 13, 2019 at 11:14 am

    So glad Kodak wastes bricks of film on people that have no clue what they’re doing with it. Probably part of their losses this quarter.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 11:33 am

      Nice! The whole purpose of this is to help those – like me – who haven’t shot film like this understand some of the hurdles before spending their money by learning from my mistakes and successes. It’s all well and good showing people how to do something from the point of view of an “expert”, but often seeing what not to do is just as useful. I’m working with Kodak to learn from their advice, the advice of the chap who’s developing for me, and my own experiences. If this sort of content doesn’t work for you, don’t read it, and certainly please don’t feel a need to waste your time sharing unconstructive snarky commentary.

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        John Bennett
        May 13, 2019 at 1:18 pm

        Well said, Hamish. I don’t know if there are more unkind people in the world these days, or if the Internet has just given them an outlet that makes them more visible.

        People must have a lot of free time. Some people, with unpleasant personalities, probably have more of it.

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          Hamish Gill
          May 13, 2019 at 1:53 pm

          Well, yes, I guess if you’re an arsehole real people probably take up less of your time in real life…? 😉

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            Sroyon
            May 13, 2019 at 4:35 pm

            One of the most valuable things about your writings, Hamish, is how you are open about your mistakes and shortcomings. In fact I’d go further and say it’s one of the great things about 35mmc in general (Simon King’s post about his Amsterdam failures comes to mind). It’s so much easier to share only successes, and make it look like everything comes easily to you. Unfortunately the latter is a lot more common, which perhaps leads some people to expect camera reviewers to be infallible, and any admission of error is seen as a sign of being not “not good enough”.
            Gauss famously used to present his proofs as “perfect”, refining the steps and removing all trace of trial-and-error. A fellow mathematician said “he makes [his mathematics] like a fox, wiping out the traces in the sand with his tail.” But you do you, be a camera-reviewer, not a fox 🙂

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            Hamish Gill
            May 13, 2019 at 5:04 pm

            In the world we live in these days it almost seems alien to share anything other than what a friend of mine calls the “constant stream of success”. The problem with not sharing like that these days is that people are so used to everything being portrayed like that via social media etc, that you can look like an idiot showing something else. Frankly though, I couldn’t give a toss what other people think, especially if it helps me and other people learn something new.

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        C Routledge
        May 13, 2019 at 5:58 pm

        I was laughing all the way through this, because you reminded me of me. I tried to be too clever with Ektachrome as well, found some advice somewhere about slightly over exposing, and blew out the whole roll. I’ve been shooting Tri-X most of the time for a couple of years (in 35mm anyway), and I suspect I have become habituated to exposing for it, so when I’m trying something else my knowledge of how Tri-X would behave leads me astray. I’m deliberately trying a range of other films again to improve my overall accuracy, but of course this leads to over thinking.

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          Hamish Gill
          May 13, 2019 at 11:03 pm

          It’s amazing how easy it is to outwit ourselves! 😀

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      Wim HH van Heugten
      May 13, 2019 at 1:23 pm

      That was my first thought also, when reading through this contribution. Mu advice would be to buy a decent light meter and start a good reading on light metering. One should be aware of the fact that reversal film needs accurate light metering to get good results from it. Otherwise, stay with digital.

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        Hamish Gill
        May 13, 2019 at 1:51 pm

        I think you’re missing the point, or maybe not reading what I have said. I don’t have an issue with metering, and any issues I do have could be got around by using one of my cameras that has a fancy evaluative meter. My mistakes were – as I said in the post – through over-thinking, largely due to what I have read online about how to meter for reversal film. The point of this was to highlight my mistakes to help others who might have the same preconceptions that I do.

        Did you miss this sentence: “The reality is, like any media, for best results you just need to expose correctly for your subject.”

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          Marcel
          May 13, 2019 at 5:03 pm

          I would say project them and you will like them more 🙂 Also, I have uswd flash with slides with OK results, especially with ISO100 film in the interiors it helps to even out the lighting and make the results more pleasant.

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        BC
        May 13, 2019 at 2:48 pm

        Hi Wim, I think Hamish had the honesty of writing: “The reality is, like any media, for best results you just need to expose correctly for your subject.” Although it might sounds obvious and somewhat naive for those of us who have used color transparency film (all the more when it was Kodachrome) it remains a valuable experience and advice (a basic one I agree with you) for anyone (younger than us ;o) who has never tried it. Experience is usually what helps one avoid mistakes whatever their cause might be. In the end there is no excuse just results and Hamish is earnest enough to present them to us. Now speaking of the results, the thing about transparencies is / was that in most cases they were meant to be projected or seen on a light-table for analysis. Once scanned and tweaked it becomes very difficult to have an honest conversation about exposure, density and color balance. When someone above comments on how “dynamic” the images are, or the color balance of the published images, what are we commenting on, film properties, scanning, properties, user’s ability to use a scan? In my opinion that remains one of the hurdles of a lot of people who use film but do not print either in black and white or color as the premise of the process is also tweaked into the digital realm. Another hurdle that future slide-film users should be warned about is that this type of film is more “alive” than any other film, the way it is kept (or transported), its age, and the way it is processed (either personally in E-6 or the equivalent soup or lab) will deeply effect the results. That why most pros (who are accountable toward their clients and their own time and finances) welcome digital media and cameras when it comes to color. I know that I do and I would not use color-slide film for anything in the world if I wanted control and results, color negative is more resilient. In my opinion the only current film that makes sense for us owners of nearly obsolete but wonderful (sometimes) film cameras is black-and-white. Kodak understood it who discontinued both Kodachrome and Ektachrome. The latter now has become some sort of a luxury (yes, look at the price of a roll and process), a quasi oddity. I understand one being curious about it but as the review shows at the photographer’s own expenses… and not all of us will be given a brick of Ektachrome to try (and I still wonder whether I would use it and not give it away to some curious young student looking for “an experience” with film that I may encounter. In any case, as the comments show, an interesting sometimes amusing (just for the old guard) thought-provoking contribution, thanks Hamish.

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          Hamish Gill
          May 13, 2019 at 5:07 pm

          “Expose correctly for your subject” is about the most boiled down advice on exposure I can possibly imagine, but I can’t think of a situation where it doesn’t work as advice…?

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      MATT ²
      May 14, 2019 at 9:27 am

      What an absolute Dickens of a comment. Possibly add a link to show how exceptional your own photography is? No, that would dilute the message that you’re about as useful and obviously as helpful as a rancid sack of goat milk.

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    Graham Coad
    May 13, 2019 at 11:30 am

    I am a regular reader of 35mmc, and sometimes it makes me smile, but this is the first blog that made me laugh!
    Being 64, I started photography around fifty years ago with basic cameras and separate light meters, developing my own black and white with expired bulk film and chemicals, and the occasional colour print film for ‘special occasions’ if I could afford it.
    Before long I was admiring the great colour images in photo mags, and absorbing the idea that SERIOUS photographers used reversal film, often intentionally underexposing for dramatic blacks and saturated colour, especially with a polarised filter!

    I laugh because you have been doing pretty much what I did back in the pre-computer age, with similar results. Eventually I could afford a Pentax KM with a built in meter (1976?) and the first roll of Ektachrome I used in it, exposed as per the box speed and as the Pentax suggested resulted in 36 nice, correctly exposed shots around Minorca on my first overseas holiday.

    The only snag was that while my various prints were looked at often over the years, my slides remained unseen in their box.
    I must dig them out and do some scanning!

    Great blogs, keep it up!

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    Sien Hong
    May 13, 2019 at 11:59 am

    Nice pics, I have a roll of Kodak Ektachrome E100, can’t wait to use on an upcoming trip to Japan… first KODAK EKTACHROME E100 for me too.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 1:55 pm

      You know where to share the results…. 😉

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    Nigel Cliff
    May 13, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    Some of the best shots I ever took were on slide film, I was a Velvia man back in the day but also some of the worst, slide film can be a real bitch if you don’t treat the exposure with respect but it can blow your mind when you get it spot on. Since my return to film I’ve not yet had the guts to take on the challenge of colour positive

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 1:56 pm

      DO IT!! 😉

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    Sroyon
    May 13, 2019 at 1:12 pm

    I’ve shot Velvia 50 on a Leica M3 (sometimes using a free light-meter app and sometimes guessing), and my dad has dozens of boxes of various slides from the 1970s-90s using the TTL meter of a Minolta SLR (metered at box speed). For me, about 2-3 shots per roll turn out over-exposed (usually my own fault), and the rest are fine. For my dad, about 2-3 shots per roll are under-exposed and the rest are fine. Based on this, my conclusion is the same as yours: a lot of internet-forum wisdom really overemphasises the propensity of slide film to blow highlights.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 1:55 pm

      Are you mounting and projecting, or scanning, Sroyon?

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        Sroyon
        May 13, 2019 at 4:13 pm

        Hi Hamish, I do both. I get them scanned so I can see them immediately (I don’t have a projector in London) and for sharing online. But we still have my grandfather’s old Zeiss projector in Kolkata, India (where I grew up and where my parents live). When I go back, which is about once a year, I take my latest slides with me. We have relatives and friends over and we look at the slides together, it’s great 🙂 http://bit.ly/30g3ySZ

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          Hamish Gill
          May 13, 2019 at 5:09 pm

          DO you have a particular approach to metering?

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            Sroyon
            May 14, 2019 at 6:38 pm

            The phone app I use is Light Meter – Free in aperture priority mode. When I point it at different parts of the scene, the brightness of the phone-camera image changes simultaneously with the reading, for example brighter (longer shutter speed) when I point it at the ground and darker (shorter shutter speed) when I point at the sky. What I pick depends on the kind of look I’m hoping to achieve.

            I find the app tends to overexpose by about 1 stop compared to my Minolta SLR meter (I tested them side by side in various lighting conditions). So when shooting slide film, I compensate for that (e.g. I set it for ISO 100 when shooting Velvia 50), but for negatives, I sometimes compensate and sometimes don’t.

            When guessing, I mostly just go with whatever number pops into my head. But even when I don’t have a camera with me, for my own amusement I often practice by trying to guess the exposure settings for a scene and then checking against a light meter. It’s kind of a sad hobby to have, but the upshot is that I’ve become reasonably good at guessing. Of course, I sometimes get it wrong, but I take the view that I’m just doing it as a hobby and don’t have a client to please, so I don’t fret about it too much. 🙂

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    Gil Aegerter
    May 13, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    That first photo of the child is really nice. Colors seem warmer than I would expect of Ektachrome. I have a couple of rolls of old E100 left from the last days of the old msnbc.com website — I think it expired in 2013 but will have to take it out for a whirl! Thanks for the post (and ignore the troll).

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 1:52 pm

      I think it’s definitely worth noting that these have been scanned and then slightly adjusted to my eye. There is every possibility that I have made some frames warmer in either the scan or the post processes I apply.

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      BC
      May 13, 2019 at 2:50 pm

      Hi Gil, remember this is also the result of a scanning process so any comment on the color balance becomes difficult. Now for your rolls, if they have not been frozen, do not expect color accuracy. Best,

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    JamesW
    May 13, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    Thanks for posting, Hamish. The opinion of a fool is worthless, you may safely ignore him. I was lucky enough to get hold of a Bronica SQA with a metered prism 20 years ago and had some fantastic fun shooting 120 Velvia and Astia. I struggled to get a workflow that worked with the Bronnie. I started with 120 B+W film until I had that down pat, and then I moved onto reversal. If you ever saw a nerd/anorak/OCD photographer, it was me. But, boy, did it work for me. All I did, and I have been saying the same thing ever since, GET A NOTEBOOK.
    I recorded every single thing about the exposure. Not just the f-stop/shutter speed, but what the scene looked like, how I thought it affected the exposure, the filters, the height and direction of the sun, the time of day, the point of focus and apparent depth of field. I even wrote down my working procedure.
    Anal, right? But I took a whole three rolls of film to absolutely crack Velvia. I could get the results from the lab, and then go over my notes and verify or rubbish what I thought worked. I could compare and contrast working methods with the results. It even showed me that I had to wait a minute or two if I changed lenses ’cause it sent the metered prism off kilter for a minute or two. That I would not have found out if I didn’t have my notebook to check my workflow with the results. GET A NOTEBOOK…..
    As I said, this works for me. YMMV, and I only looked a complete prat for about a fortnight….. WITH MY NOTEBOOK….
    FWIW, 1/3 stop overexposure on both Velvia and Astia gave me breathtakingly consistent exposures.
    Then when you have learned all you need to know about how and why it works, you don’t need a notebook, right?
    All the best with the next rolls.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 4:54 pm

      Thanks James, I did regret not writing more of the settings down…

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    Kodachromeguy
    May 13, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    Hamish, let me recommend you use an incident light meter. Just measure the light falling on your subject while facing the lens of your camera. With Kodachrome in the old days, the incident measurement was usually almost perfect. Certainly, a scene with extreme sunlight and shadow will be difficult, and then you have to decide what part of the scene is most important. I recommend any of the standard light meters, such as a Sekonic, Minolta, or Gossen. Have fun.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 4:57 pm

      Hi Andrew, I will use one for a forthcoming roll. My goal here was to stick to the processes I already have in place rather than change too much. I have the lumu to go with the app, so will make use of that I expect.

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    Nick Lyle
    May 13, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    I very much enjoyed this essay. I need to go ahead and load up my first roll of new E100. When I got a bit bored with digital and began shooting film again I fell in love with color print film, however in years past I shot slides almost exclusively, when travelling, and later for my work. In the mid 1970s I spent a summer in Britain with my family, a Nikkormat ftn, 50mm f/2 NAI, and a bag of slide film. In those days I slavishly obeyed the center-weighted light meter in the Nikon and results were almost always excellent. It was an unusually sunny summer that year. I used that camera to shoot and promote my artwork for the next 25 years. This involved a massive amount of bracketing, so I became accustomed to evaluating under exposed, over exposed, and just-right results. After all those years all I learned for sure is that slide film is tricky to get right, but obeying a center-weighted meter and shooting at box speed is a great place to start.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 4:59 pm

      Funnily enough, that was what I did with the second roll, mostly to see how well it would go. In fact, the third roll, I shot in the Olympus I just shot it without any thought. More on those experiences due soon

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      Terry B
      May 14, 2019 at 9:45 am

      Nick, I’m guessing 1976. This was one of our best summers on record. Good job that you departed before the rain came as the ground had been baked rock hard and this resulted in serious flooding as the soil couldn’t absorb it and it simply ran off as surface water.

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        Nick Lyle
        May 14, 2019 at 2:16 pm

        It was 1975 and I was 17 that summer. I need to go back and scan more of the slides from that time. Even the Ektachrome still looks great.

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    Steve Ember
    May 13, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    Thanks, Hamish, for sharing your initial adventures with E-100. Loved the one of your little girl at top! As you will find – or perhaps have by now – there is something SO satisfying about nailing an exposure, especially in tricky lighting, with reversal film and especially the intense colors one could/can get when doing so with Fujichrome Velvia-50 (have not yet tried the new E-100, but I did use loads and loads of 1990’s E-100 and E-200 and later types like Lumiere-100 and Elitechrome and loved those results as well).
    My experience with the various iterations of Ektachrome (and Kodachrome-25!) began in the mid-60s with my two Pentax Spotmatics, later joined by an ES, and, aside from sometimes getting fooled into underexposure by including too much sky in the in-camera average metering, I came to love the results – especially when projected in a darkened room on a large lenticular screen by a Kodak Carousel, providing a whirring backdrop to my narrative!
    I also quickly learned not to invest 100% confidence in the camera’s metering when, for example shooting evening or forest scenes that you want to look accurate – or snow scenes that you want to actually look white! Forget the fudge factor negative films allow, even encourage!
    I would add just a wee suggestion to those getting their feet wet with slide film, no matter the type, and that is to bracket exposures, if only by a half stop on either side of the “correct” meter reading. I found this extremely helpful – especially when traveling (as opposed to local spots to which I can easily return to “try again). Sure, it reduced the occasional 36-exp roll to a “twelve-exposure roll” but when one considers the subtleties slide film is capable of, it can often make the difference between lovely and WOW! And cameras like the better Canon EOS SLRs make it so easy with their AEB auto-bracketing. It’s certainly worth “wasting” some frames in the interest of getting to know how a film reacts to different kinds of light (and shadings thereof).
    On the other hand, more recently, I was thoroughly impressed at how the in-camera meter in my “new” Contax RX allowed me to shoot a (freezer stored) test roll of Velvia-50 (Exp 2013) at my “local” Meadowlark Botanical Gardens on a lovely spring day last May – without any bracketing, just some (-) exposure comp, selected intuitively to maintain the wooded look. One very good meter…one very lovely film.
    Hopefully, one day I’ll be able to say the same about the new E-100. Hopefully the wait will have been worthwhile.
    Looking forward to reading – and seeing the results – of your continuing E-100 journey.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 11:02 pm

      Thanks Steve – you’re not the only person to suggest bracketing to me since I started down this road

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    David K.
    May 13, 2019 at 9:37 pm

    Enjoyed this piece a lot. Back in the day I often exposed Velvia at EI 40 to tone down the saturation a little. OTOH Kodachrome 64 benefited from slight underexposure (EI 80) to make the color pop better. Films that always seemed to work best at rated speed were Provia 100 and Kodachrome 200, the latter of which I used almost exclusively from 2000–2003 (when the Canon 10D came out and I “went digital”).

    I’ve got 5 rolls of the new E100 but have yet to use ’em. My fav transparency film camera is the Contax Aria…it has a terrific evaluative meter that seems tuned for reversal film.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 13, 2019 at 11:00 pm

      Thanks David, shoot it! And let me know how you get on – interested to hear from more people coming back to reversal film to shoot it!

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    Dan
    May 14, 2019 at 10:35 am

    Really enjoyed this piece Hamish. I’m still quite new when it comes to film photography and have so far avoided slide film while I build up more experience of shooting with an off-camera meter, but it’s good to read about what went well and not so well in an honest and engaging way.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 14, 2019 at 11:40 am

      Thanks Dan, much appreciated!

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    Simon
    May 14, 2019 at 10:51 am

    As usual, I found this article useful and interesting – the honest account of your experiences (and mistakes) means I’ve learnt something. I’ve never learnt anything from the smug know-it-all Internet commenters who would have you believe that you can’t shoot slide film unless you are as perfect as they are.

    I have boxes of Fuji Sensia slides from my first spell of film photography with a Pentax P30. And despite being 13 at the time and doing little more than trust the rudimentary centre-weighted metering, guess what – they look fine. Over the last couple of years, I’ve shot Velvia with a Nikon F90 and F80, and the only time my exposures have been anything less than perfect is when I’ve thought I was cleverer than matrix metering. It turns out I wasn’t.

    This site gave me the confidence (and technique) to shoot a meterless camera (by exploiting the over-exposure latitude of Portra), and I think this article should give people more confidence to shoot slide film. I think what’s particularly interesting to note is the added flexibility that scanning and a bit of tweaking in Lightroom give you. And I disagree that slides have to be projected – while that’s great, it’s not something I’ve done with my recent rolls of Velvia, but the scanned results are still clearly unique from any other film stock, or digital.

    Looking forward to seeing more results, and I really must get round to trying it myself.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 14, 2019 at 11:40 am

      Thanks, Simon! Hopefully I can get my head around this film quite shortly and encourage some to shoot it. I do worry slightly that content like my previous post will have encouraged some not to do things “properly”, but hopefully this will all end up resulting in me coming up with some content that will…

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    Dominique
    May 14, 2019 at 12:20 pm

    I loved reading this! I loaded my first roll of slide film a couple of weeks ago. I blew right through it: it was taken during my daughter’s softball game at mid-day on a Saturday morning. (I am returning to film because I don’t like spending hours behind the computer editing my images and try to get my exposure right in-camera.) I was extremely nervous to shoot the first roll of Ektachrome, as the last time I had slide film, it was in a P&S or on Auto in an SLR. Knowing that I get the exposure right most of the time, made shooting and waiting a little more bearable. When I downloaded the sans, I couldn’t have been happier with the results. I still need to check the negatives themselves to see how much the scans were adjusted, though.
    I think you went about the Ektachrome experiment like a scientist! As I’ve learned, you learn much more from things that don’t work (in the lab), than when things work perfectly. I, personally, learned much more from your underexposed images than the ones that were well exposed. Thanks for sharing this!

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      Hamish Gill
      May 15, 2019 at 9:54 pm

      Cheers! though a scientist would have made better notes! 😉

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    paul thomas elcock
    May 14, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    I enjoyed this review and I was glad to read that you seem to have as many silly mistakes and happy/unhappy accidents as the rest of us in our joyous and often frustrating journey through the film and old camera world!

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      Hamish Gill
      May 15, 2019 at 9:53 pm

      Cheers, yeah, I fuck up all the time 😀

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    Brett Rogers
    May 15, 2019 at 10:15 am

    Dear Hamish,
    Thanks for this piece. It’s an interesting read. I’ve shot quite a bit of transparency over the years including a little bit of Kodak’s older Ektachrome, but am yet to try the new product.

    I also have to commend you for your willingness to share some of your misses as well as the successes. As photographers we tend, obviously, to only prefer to show people our better images. But having written this article from the perspective of a newcomer to photographing on transparency, informing readers about what may happen if exposure is not ideal can be quite helpful, in itself.

    Having noted a previous remark about your competency which I can only describe as uncharitable, I would make two points. One: we were all new to the craft, once, including the critic in question, so, where online may we view his first roll of reversal exposures, please?Two: discussing your exposure errors so candidly suggests a trait that is increasingly hard to find today—particularly in the sphere of online publication—that is to say: integrity. More power to you, I say.

    I’d not want to present myself as any sort of expert in shooting transparency film, although
    I’ve done my fair share of it. But I would like to offer a few thoughts, if I may?

    First, it’s entirely possible to get completely satisfactory exposures with transparency using a reflective light meter. Indeed there will be situations when some type of reflective meter is the only viable option for getting a reading, period. But in many lighting situations a decent incident meter is going to be a very quick, easy and virtually foolproof way of ascertaining the ideal exposure value for your scene. This is in part, because it eliminates the issue of varying subject tonality and surface reflectance altogether—but also since (and this is not a universally understood point) the reading given will be keyed to preserving transparency highlights. Unless you are tackling a subject with unusually high reflectance (chrome plate on old cars, highly polished furniture, etc) simply dialling in your incident reading without any interpretation at all, will virtually guarantee your highlights should be preserved. (This assumes, of course, your reading has not been taken within the shadow portion of a scene).

    You don’t need to spend a fortune on a quality meter capable of incident light measurement (though one certainly can, if inclined!). I’ve used a humble Minolta Auto Meter III for decades with excellent results, easily available today for under $100, (and quite a versatile meter with the addition of a couple of easily found accessories).

    In terms of exposure latitude, reading your article suggests you’re already fast realising traditional wisdom about optimum exposure for transparency doesn’t always apply, in 2019. Particularly if you’ll need to scan the film.

    It’s worth noting then, that one’s ideal exposure settings for a film that will be mounted into slides and projected may see slightly less light hitting the film in camera. A frame exposed strictly at its box speed incident reading (or maybe even pulled a third of a stop or so) might project beautifully with reasonable shadow detail. Life was arguably easier, in days past. One worried about overexposing highlights a bit, but the shadows would be less of a concern, for projection at least.

    Exposing for scanning, on the other hand, is arguably harder. You still don’t want to blow your highlights, obviously (except perhaps in those instances where shadow detail is everything and highlights be damned, and these do crop up, occasionally). At the same time, if the shadows are too dense as a result of too much caution in preserving one’s highlights, only high end scanners are likely to be able to do a reasonable job of extracting clean, noise-free detail (if it’s actually present, in the first place). The traditional wisdom of saving the highlights at all costs can get you into real strife with your shadows in the scanner.

    You can’t really overexpose E-6 (well, more on that in a bit), but underexposing it sees those shadows block up pretty quickly. More than ever, you really do need to nail the exposure precisely, if your image includes Eg elements in full sun as well as decently dark shadows.

    It’s often said that transparency has no tolerance for overexposure. Certainly, it has far less exposure latitude than C-41 films—but that does not mean there isn’t a bit of scope for overexposure (for clarity, overexposure based on a good incident reading, or an accurate reflective reading off a grey card or other surface that has middle-grey luminosity).

    I find Velvia, Velvia 50 & 100 and Provia can generally hold a good half a stop extra light—Provia probably more so than the other current Fujichrome offerings (“Velvia” being the original pre-2005 “RVP” product I still have a bit of a stash of, and still use occasionally).

    That extra half a stop of light can help your scanner quite a bit, when you’re trying to write a digital file with some reasonable prospect of edit-ability of your shadow detail.

    I’d strongly encourage you to find yourself a reasonable quality projector anyway, before too long, Hamish. As pleasing as a well exposed and edited scan of a transparency can be—the paradox of using reversal film in a digital age is that, no matter how good your lab is, or your photoshop skills or the calibre of your scanning hardware and your ability to operate it—nothing, ever looks quite as wonderful as the original piece of film on a light box or projected onto a white screen. It’s an entirely selfish pleasure but no less magical.

    Here in Australia I’ve been gifted Kodak Carousel, Leitz Pradovit and Rollei P-11 projectors within the last couple of years and all bar the last can still be procured for quite low prices in most markets. If you can get hold of a Leitz or Rollei 35mm projector you may gasp in delight when first you see the projected results.

    There was a recent discussion about the topic of exposing reversal film at Rangefinder Forum (in which I mentioned some of the points above, actually). I don’t know if it will help but might be worth a look? You can find it here:
    https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168201

    Keep up the excellent work. I love that you are generally happy to take a deeper look into topics other sites might be happy to gloss over. Should be more of it.
    Best
    Brett

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      Hamish Gill
      May 15, 2019 at 9:48 pm

      Thanks Brett! Great contribution, as always!
      I have today been out with my incident meter – I only took a few shots, but i have been making notes.
      The main area of concern I have is how to deal with high contrast scenes – I was fretting today as, part of a test, I wanted to take a photo in the shade with some dappled sunlight and open sunlight in the far background. I took a bunch of shots at different exposures to see what would happen. This is really what I need to do – as someone else said, I need to experiment, and make notes. I think you’re right though, experimenting with an incident meter is probably the best place to start

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    David K.
    May 15, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    A little off topic… IMO the ultimate viewing experience with Kodachrome, for anyone fortunate enough to have processed examples of it, isn’t via projection at all but in a dedicated slide viewer or on a lighttable via a loupe. There’s a 3D quality to back-illuminated images containing prominent reds…those reds appear to float above the rest of the image. Not realistic but very pretty just the same. Photos of red blooms against an out-of-focus green background…wow! When scanning or projecting this 3D-ness is unfortunately lost.

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    ScottP
    May 17, 2019 at 7:52 am

    The Norah-with-a-pink-guitar picture is remarkable.
    Do yourself and your descendants (and her descendants) a favor: have a high resolution scan made of it (if that one isn’t) then have a few high quality prints made in a reasonable size. 8×10 would be fine, one 11×14 would be super. Imagine that on the wall in your office.
    The slides will languish in a box in the attic, the scans will vanish when Grandpa’s hard drives become obsolescent.
    The prints will be a source of joy for people who aren’t born yet.
    ——–
    It WOULD be kind of interesting if you loaded a roll of E100 in your camera with the sophisticated evaluative meter, and just did what the camera told you. Maybe three shots of each picture, minus one-half, 0, plus one-half. Fight the urge to out-think the camera. I always get in trouble when I try to think.

    I shot thousands of rolls of Ektachrome in the 60s and 70s mostly always one-third to one-half stop under.. It made the shadows blacker and the colors richer. (Granted, scanning wasn’t an issue then.)
    If the new film looks better when OVER exposed, then it’s an entirely different animal.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 17, 2019 at 11:48 am

      I do an annual book of photos of the kids, have done for the last 3-4 years. Than one will definitely make the cut!
      I like the idea about the evaluative metered camera – I shall crack out my f80

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    Smitty
    May 17, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    This fascinating and informative comments section says it all about choosing to post while swimming against the “constant stream of success”. Brilliant Hamish.

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      Hamish Gill
      May 24, 2019 at 3:40 pm

      Thanks 🙂

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    Bob Adams
    May 19, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    I found the best way to shoot slide film is about a quarter stop over exposed; Ektachrome, Velvia, etc. all about the same.

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    MattK
    May 20, 2019 at 6:32 pm

    Thanks for this review Hamish. I appreciate the candour, and heartily agree with you on one particular point – you are over-thinking things! When you consider the following, it might help to know that so far I’ve shot three rolls of the new E100, and done some comparing with 20 year old (but freezer stored) Velvia and some freezer stored Ektachrome of similar vintage. At about the same time I’ve shot a bit of 120 Ektachrome from nearly the last batch produced – also freezer stored. I too am blessed with a local high quality E6 lab. My primary observations follow.
    1) you need to either project the film or view it with a good loupe and a goods backlight, if your main interest is in how the film compares. Evaluating the film’s scanability (is that a word?) is probably more an evaluation of different scanning techniques than the film itself;
    2) I heartily recommend the suggestion above to use an incident meter. It just about takes the metering technique out of the equation, leaving only the film and the accuracy of your shutter;
    3) I got my best results at box speed – EI 0f 100 – and I bracketed to check;
    4) I did experiment with intentional under-exposure and intentional over-exposure, usually with a 2/3 stop bracket and always with a view to emphasizing different areas of tone in the slide, and I more frequently preferred the slightly under-exposed result to the slightly over-exposed result;
    5) when I scanned the results, the scanner handled the box speed and +2/3 stop exposed slides scanned more easily, but if I worked at it, the -2/3 stop exposed slides yielded good results too.
    All my 35mm slides were shot in one of several Olympus OM bodies. For those times when I used the in-camera meters, I just took the meter reading and exercised judgment about whether or not the subject reflectance required an adjustment. In most cases, that works well (and bracketing helps when the subject is difficult).
    FWIW, when compared with the old E100G, I see slightly better sharpness and slightly better shadow detail when the mid-tones and highlights are also properly exposed. This really does appear to be a 100 ISO film that should be exposed at an EI of 100. Colour response is good, although if you expose under open sky lighting, a warming filter is a good idea.
    Keep up the good work. And be prepared to think less! 🙂

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    Mike Hinkleman
    May 27, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    WOW. Clearly if one wants response to a photo essay, make it a out positive color film aka slides.

    I was looking for a comment like “slides make phone images look incredibly good..”

    The last time I took any slides was 20 years ago when Costco still sold and processed film, even transparencies. It was Ektachrome. Fairly bluish. I used a Nikon Ftn and the images of the dog, lake etc were pretty. Problem of course is that the only way you could share them was to get prints made at triple the price of negative film, longer wait, and in many cases disappointing with the prints washed out.

    Or you could get out the old projector and invite people over to look at them. You had to bribe them with cake and booze.

    Mostly I liked Kodachrome 64. I took boxes of slides with an instamatic 126 and they all looked beautiful. The color was different than the old negative films which were beautiful in their own way, kodacolor X and II.

    Try some Ek100 in your Leica 1 standard with sunny 16. Maybe this new film is difficult to use or perhaps processing problems. Decades ago millions of beautful slides were taken by folks who didn’t know the meaning of aperture

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      Hamish Gill
      May 29, 2019 at 9:21 pm

      I will – I think the voigtlander 28mm 3.5 would be a good match to this lens

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