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Canon AF35ML – A Curious incident – Guest Review by Torsten Kathke

Pray, listen! I give unto you another review of mine. It is, as per the challenge of Hamish Gill, Esquire, Lord of Range, purveyor of most excellent essays and sundry for her Majesty, written thusly.1 Well, well, the game is afoot then! Not a word! Into your clothes and come!

A good number of fortnights gone, a Canon AF35ML (aka, I am told, the Super Sure Shot and Autoboy Super) arrived at my domicile in a lot with another Canon, an Olympus Mju 1 and a Minolta 7000. The Olympus got some use, as did the Minolta SLR, so I found it not a displeasing proposition to try out the 35ML. As for the other Canon… spoilers!

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Back Side, Film Door Open. The annoying button clearly visible. Film loading is easy, and the small size of the camera means I got 39 complete pictures on my first roll.

The Canon AF35ML is extraordinary in exactly one thing: it has the fastest lens you can find in an automatic autofocus point and shoot 35mm camera from the 1980s. (1981, to be exact). At least as far as my research goes, which is in this case, admittedly, not a furlough past St. Pancras Station. The lens is a super useful 40mm focal length and goes down to f1.9, and accepts 48mm filters. It appears the camera was constructed around this boast, and all other considerations that might actually make it a joy to own and operate were promptly declared unimportant by the House of Commons. The AF35ML is compact. Not lose-it-in-your-pocket compact, but small enough to bring along wherever you may want nonetheless. It’s compacter than the Minolta AF2 I reviewed for this site last year, my favorite “in between” camera that’s not a rangefinder anymore but not yet a full fledged point and shoot.

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Art in Salzburg. Autoexposure is okay, but seems to err on the dark side.

What now, of the Canon’s use for Kingdom and Empire, you inquire? As the master investigator once remarked, “Never trust to general impressions, my boy, but concentrate yourself upon details.” I so shall. The AF35ML was clearly planned to do some things well, according to relevant circumstances at its time of creation. It needed to have autofocus, automatic film wind, a built-in flash, a fast lens, a usable viewfinder, and a decent lens. It needed to operate on easy to find AA batteries, which it does. It has all these features. And though they may have made sense when slapped together in a boardroom, marketing conference, or r&d lab in late 70s or early 80s Japan, they do not anymore. That does make more than a pennyworth of difference for you today! ISO 400 film was fast for the time, but it isn’t particularly today. If you want to be able to take pictures in near darkness, you go digital. If you want to shoot film in near darkness, you use a camera that can be operated manually or will meter to 1600, 3200, or even higher. The AF35ML goes to ISO 400, and thus isn’t your number one choice for such work. (There are, apparently, versions that go to ISO 1000 – giving you a bit over a stop extra. This might change the equation. My conclusions are for the more common ISO 400 variety, used at ISO 200 and 400).

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Christmas Market. Somewhat soft corners visible. Here, too autoexposure is a little dark but you could probably pull more detail out of the shadows with some work.

Focusing is straightforward, but as hit and miss as any of the era. Canon took a detour into passive autofocus with this one, and that may or may not make it better or worse in fringe cases. If it works, it works, but parallax error is a nuisance here, gentlefolk. Go up close and you’ll likely confuse the autofocus into producing a useless image. It’s okay for wider shots, but who wants a camera just for focusing far away? A rangefinder or SLR doesn’t have this issue. With those, you know if you’re in focus, because you have a confirmation in the actual spot where you want to focus, not just three LEDs as a rough guide.

Auto exposure is similar. It’s never terribly off – it will usually capture a picture, just perhaps not the picture you had in mind. Flash pictures turn out okay, and are actually one of the few times I saw what the lens was capable of stopped down (apologies for not including one in the review, they were of a friend unwilling to appear on stage here. Suffice it to say, they were sharp, corner to corner, and not majorly blown out). If unwanted, flash can thankfully be disabled, although if you do, be prepared to hear an annoying beeping when there isn’t enough light even for the fast lens. Which is, to surprise absolutely no one in a camera that goes only to ISO 400, often.

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Close Focusing. The AF35ML is capable of nice shots, and bokeh isn’t bad.

The viewfinder has symbol lights for focusing distance, is nice and clear, and tempts you to push the shutter button. I implore you, good Sir, do not! The 35ML will just start to whirr and distract absolutely everyone and everything, from cousin Rupert, so beautifully attired in his smoking jacket, to Aunt Clara playing Wist with the Count, to Oscar, the dog. No manners, these young upstarts, I tell you, simply no manners!

The little Canon has an on/off switch that I can only describe as daftly designed. It’s a dial that has, from top do bottom the following functions: battery check – off – on – self timer. When set to battery check it beeps loudly. Other, more aristocratic cameras, pip pip, have battery check lights instead. Also, you’re never quite sure if you’ve turned it on or set it to self timer without double checking. Who needs that kind of uncertainty for their enterprise? And when you have taken a picture, as I said: film forward is immediate, insuppressible, and loud.

Despite such inauspicious a first meeting, I journeyed, by trolley, carriage and railway, to fair Salzburg, in the German speaking part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Here, methought, in this capital of culture and beauty, I shall certainly benefit from my compact companion. Having done the “big” sightseeing things in Salzburg on earlier trips (that castle is something!), I took the Canon with me on simple wanderings about the old town. It was late November, so Christmas markets were already set up, and tourists milled about. Shown a hidden away small cemetery by a local, I spent some time to take picturesque pictures there as well. Salzburg should tell me much about how well the Canon would do, gentle readers.

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Wide Open. Soft corner, soft corner, soft corner, soft corner.

My conclusions, both of the camera as a tool and of the images it produces, were just as sobering as that first impression had been. The noise was annoying, the on/off switch’s design infuriating, the autofocus unreliable. What the Canon had going for it, back in 1981, apart from its lens specs, must have been its size. Yet a small size on a camera you don’t want to use does not make up for the fact that you don’t want to use it when you have it with you because you can, because it is small.

But, dear reader, what of the lens? Why, you paid me tuppence, so I shall deliver a riposte: It does its job well when stopped down a bit. It leads, however, to strangely uninspiring pictures in terms of color rendition. And it doesn’t need to be as fast as it is, because nothing about the camera it is attached to actually enables its use in circumstances where you really want a fast lens. The images I took at lower apertures were sharp in the center, but very soft in corners that seemed to extend farther into the middle than on most other cameras of this type I’ve used. I used ISO 200 film, but manually set the ISO to 400 for some shots that required more light. It doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference. The AF35ML gives perfectly sharp pictures at f5.6 or f8 or some such in bright daylight, but why, for the love of our estemeed Lord Nelson, would your ladyship need an f1.9 lens to shoot at f8?

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Tourist Group. The Canon does okay here.

This Canon is good as a museum piece, but it’s not practical. Not because it is so much worse than any other camera, but because it has no standout function that would make it desirable over any other, and as a gesamtkunstwerk simply doesn’t gel. It is proof positive that specs should be the last thing you worry about when you purchase a camera, and usability – specifically, how you can use it to do the things you want it to do – the first. The specs are all there. They sound impressive. They are, however, sadly pointless when thrown together in such a loveless, techno-lusty but hare-brained fashion.

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Carriage. I didn’t expect the corners to be quite as soft here as they came out. It appears the Canon is programmed to open up the aperture long before it goes down in shutter speed.

How I long, forsooth, sitting wrapped in horsehair blankets, my meerschaum pipe lit and my whisky neat, in front of yonder fireplace in the hall of Castle Gill, gentle readers, for the rangefinder this Canon should have been. Or for another generation Canon. Something sensible, with reliable autofocus, no annoying beepery, and a modicum of thought about design. Not this wannabe VCR of a point and shoot! Luckily, that’s not hard to find. Canon’s Colani-designed SLR line showed the wave of the future. In compacter quarters of our industrious if foggy capital, Olympus had a good thing going with their XA line. Minolta did odd things as per usual. Odd, yes, ma’am, but not without a certain charm. Nikon, on the other hand, hired Giorgetto Giugaro not only to design their beloved F3, but also their compact offering, the L35AF. It paid off. The L35 is sought after still.

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What say I, thence, verdictly? The Canon AF35ML is a good camera to shoot and own if you already have one and no other. It is a good camera to bring to the beach, to places where it’s sunny and where you won’t ever take photos of things closer than two or three meters. Where you won’t miss it if it gets wet or filled with sand or accidentally swallowed by a school of dolphins used by the navy in defence of our fair island. I wouldn’t miss it if it just dematerialized out of the closet I keep it in. It is technically capable of nice images. Then again, nearly every camera of the same era from Canon or any of its serious competitors is.

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Collins Gravesite. It’s a colorful scene, but color rendition is only so-so. I can’t quite put my finger on why I don’t like it as much as some of the other compacts I have, but I don’t. There. How’s that for an opinionated review!

The Canon AF35ML is mostly one thing: puzzling. A “what were they thinking?” kind of puzzling. It could have been a nice small street photography camera, but it is simply much too loud for this. It might be okay for casual family gatherings, but how often, you think, will your loved ones tolerate you beeping away with the Canon, and how happily will they listen to that blasted film forward? This isn’t to knock Canon, who are after all, the people behind the F1, the T90, the AE cameras, and the fact that you can shoot video on your DSLR today. Sometimes, no matter who makes it, a product just falls through the cracks of good and common sense.

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Bottom. Tripod socket, rewind buttons and battery compartment visible.

To tell the truth, my muscular Christian sistren and brethren, in a somewhat unexpected turn, the F1.9 lens, too, is more of a liability than an asset: Since the camera can go down to f1.9, it will go down to that aperture, at which the lens is pretty darn soft around the edges. And since it doesn’t go higher than ISO 400, it will go down to that aperture far more often than you’d like. As mentioned above, the only pictures it produced that ever were sharp corner to corner were flash pictures.

If you want to own the world’s fastest-lensed point and shoot for bragging rights at the Explorer Club, so old Phineas will finally be quiet about that dreadful journey of his, by Jove, proceed and acquire this contraption. If, however, you prefer to own cameras to take pictures sans unnecessary fuss, then buy a Canonet QL – an actual rangefinder. Or a Nikon L35AF. Or the Minolta AF2. Or, or, or or. Don’t buy this camera.

There’s a tide, as any member of our class has well been taught at Eaton. With the AF35ML, Magistrate Canon forgot to set their clock to Greenwich, and missed the boat.

Now Eliza, where does that rain fall?

TL; DR: The Canon AF35ML is worth but a farthing, and much like a Brontë sister, you can do better.


1. For reasons not anymore entirely clear to either of us, there came about a challenge between myself and Hamish wherein I should write this review with bits of fake Victorian English thrown in. So I did. If you are a member of the Red-Headed League, or from Hartford, Hereford, or Hampshire, I apologize in advance


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    jeremy north
    January 21, 2016 at 2:01 am

    I beseech thee master Torsten, henceforth to speak plain english for this was a pain in the arse to read.

    Thanks for the review.

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      Torsten Kathke
      January 21, 2016 at 8:54 am

      Much obliged, Sir Jeremy! I shall take under strong consideration your admonition, and remain, as ever, thankful for your appreciation of my writings despite their shortcomings.

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    Blinx
    January 21, 2016 at 7:58 am

    I enjoyed the Hapsburg trappings, variety being the spice of language and life, but each to their own. The more you look at old compact cameras like the AF35ML (and I do), the more “what were they thinking” hangs over so many of them. These things represented cutting edge technology in their day, and that day recedes with each passing year, but it almost seems as though they were deliberately hamstrung at times.

    Take the Pentax Espio 200 (as if anyone would!). Looking at Vladimir Tichy’s controversial work I wasn’t intrigued by his subject matter, which is frankly a bit creepy, nor his domestic sensibilities, which make even mine look tidily austere, but by the general aesthetics of his home made telephoto cameras. Lacking the time to make something similar lead me in a very roundabout way to the Espio 200. The camera has a 48-200 lens, the longest telephoto of any compact AF film camera. I couldn’t find out what the f-stop at 200mm is, but you’d need the ISO range of a Sony A7S II to get a sharp image, not whatever modest maximum film speed the Espio permits. Such anomalies are fairly typical of an era when including a superlative (“never mind the quality, feel the width” – or length in the Espio’s case) was more important in sales terms than whether the technology was on speaking terms.

    Anyway, nice write up Torsten, I enjoyed it. The camera, I’ll avoid.

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      Torsten Kathke
      January 21, 2016 at 10:07 am

      Thanks! I agree, the “what were they thinking” looms large over many of these cameras. The Minolta Riva Zoom 105i comes to mind: it has a useful 35–105 zoom, and even goes to 3200 in ISO. The shape is odd but it’s perfectly usable… except it wants to override your composition and zoom to a focal length some sloppy algorithm deigns the right one, and while you can turn that off for one shot, it’s automatically set every time you turn the camera on. I have a feeling that especially beginning in the 80s and with the technological arms race of chips and motors and auto everything, camera companies relied on specs to sell cameras, not on usability. Or they plain did not understand what people wanted and why – sometimes because it’s new technology, of course, but often because of a lack of imagination. This seems to tie into a larger history of marketing and the tendency to break down the audience for a product into ever smaller groups. I could go on. It’s a sad state of affairs, but it’s instructive: that thinking pervades so much of today’s technology still. Looking at these old cameras allows one to take a step back and realize that.

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        Blinx
        January 21, 2016 at 10:52 am

        Yes, there were certainly some weirdo cameras that attempted to put photography in Everyman’s hands, but in a “we’ll push the button, you do the rest” inversion of George Eastman’s maxim. My “favourite” sow’s ear from a silk purse was the Konica AP-1 SLR, which was fully automated to the point of only shooting any of Konica’s excellent lenses at 2.8, 5.6 and 11. Not so much what were they thinking, as what were they on?

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          Torsten Kathke
          January 21, 2016 at 3:56 pm

          I looked up that Konica – wow, that seems like a bad idea. I have (and love, minus the fact that it’s unreliable in exposure because of its age, could probably use a CLA) a Nikon EM, which is a camera in the same vein, but not nearly as limited or limiting! I mean, what manufacturer prevents you from shooting at f8?

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    Terry B
    April 13, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    Writing in 2016, and not in 1981, it is easy to fail to appreciate what, in context, cameras of that era were capable of, and indeed what a user’s expectations were. So, a modern take on the lens leaves it looking less than desirable, but one shouldn’t overlook that even many fast lenses of the day performed relatively poorly wide open; indeed this was generally acknowledged as the trade off for speed. So, having a less than stellar lens that at least offered this capability, was certainly to be welcomed. Yes, it was the equivalent selling feature that today we look to pixel counts on sensors, and many realise what a waste of time this can be.

    I’ve had plenty of lenses through my hands where the edges are noticeably inferior to the centre, but does this matter in every shooting situation? Importantly, for the users of the day, this would have met their needs. And, of course, lens performance would equally be subject to how accurate the AF was, and with f1.9 on hand, not much DoF to hide slight errors of focusing. This may explain why those AF cameras fitted with f2.8 or even f3.5/3.8 lenses may have had a higher hit rate, in addition to being less optically challenging and therefore generally capable of better quality, without a doubt.

    Its other attributes, I have to agree with. It is noisy, very, and can be hit and miss regarding exposure, but for the short duration I used it in anger, mine rarely, if ever, missed focus. Remember, that AF was in its infancy and it wasn’t until 1985 that Minolta introduced the first AF slr and we had to wait until 1989 for the Canon Eos system.

    One feature you didn’t mention, though, is what the red and white striped thing is for on the rear top plate. Even though the camera will auto wind to the first frame, the camera could still give the impression it was loaded correctly, even though the film leader hadn’t been caught on the take up spool securely. If everything was OK this little indicator would “wobble” as the film advanced. If it didn’t, one could safely open the camera back and have another go.

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      Torsten Kathke
      April 14, 2016 at 9:53 am

      Thanks, Terry!

      I absolutely agree that there are great lenses which aren’t very sharp in the corners wide open. I really don’t mind that when I can be the once who decides what aperture the lens shoots at; whether wide open out of necessity or for effect, or stopped down a bit. The Canon takes this decision out of your hand. So do the more typical cameras with f2.8 or f3.5 lenses of comparable vintage, but those lenses deliver, to my eye, more acceptable pictures when wide open because of that slower maximum aperture.

      I really like your comparison with the megapixel craze. That, in the end, is what soured me on this camera: it’s got all the things that will market well, but they don’t add up as well as they do on other cameras, including its Canon predecessors. I don’t have too many complaints about the autofocus, though, except for the parallax problem.

      In the end it’s all about that elusive thing, “personal preference.” Does a camera feel right, and does it work for what you want it to do (then and now)? This one didn’t for me. Maybe it never will. Maybe my needs will change and I’ll give it another go. Figuring out what you like, and how that can change is half the journey with this vintage gear.

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    Terry B
    April 14, 2016 at 10:56 am

    Torsten,

    I agree with all your points. The ingenuity of camera designers never ceases to amaze. You only have to look at cameras such as the Bolsey C to wonder what on earth was in their minds. I’d love one, by the way, but sometimes magnificent failures can be interesting in their own right. The AF35ML certainly must rank as one of them.

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    Torsten Kathke
    April 14, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    I think we should suggest a new category for the site: magnificent failures of camera construction! Though that would quickly beyond compact and 35mm…

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      Terry B
      April 14, 2016 at 2:30 pm

      Torsten, indeed it would. But before Hamish spots this, I’d nominate Hasselblad’s Lunar and Stellar top of all lists!

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        Hamish Gill
        April 15, 2016 at 11:14 am

        haha…
        That would be to disregard their Sony origin though.
        The ‘blad Sony’s were little more than a failed marketing/branding exercise

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          Terry B
          April 15, 2016 at 11:39 am

          Hamish, no slight of Sony intended at all. Far from it, as I have a number, starting with the R1, then 5N, followed by A7 (the models I like most) and a Nex 7 and with which I am somewhat less enamoured of its IQ.

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        Torsten Kathke
        April 15, 2016 at 11:59 am

        Maybe we need another category altogether, “marketing failures”. I have a few honest to god 35mm compacts that would fit that definition as well 😉

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