Mamiya 6 Automat

Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

By Geoff Chaplin

The following stand accused of leading me into temptation (but I’ve already forgiven them all, it’s really my own fault!):

primary accused DANAI for writing such a compelling article about an almost perfect pocketable MF camera;

second accused Simon Foale for writing an in-depth review of the Automat, the camera that finally caused me to be unfaithful to my lovely Leica.

There are others who have written for 35mmc about this same camera series – you know who your are.

I say I have been unfaithful to my Leica: no not really, she is the true love of my life. I may have dabbled here and there occasionally but that doesn’t count as being unfaithful does it? No, of course not, and I think we can all agree on that.

So the temptress was the Mamiya 6 Automat: let me call her Lolita because when I was 20 she was 15. There is no need for me to go through the mechanics of this beauty – see the above articles, Martin Henson, camera-wiki and Analog Insights among many others. It is relatively easy to clean Lolita and adjust her internal parts, see Japan Vintage Camera and TadTadd. But I had already tossed caution to the wind. That auction site had so many MINT beauties for sale, and all relatively inexpensive, around £150 for years of fun – how could I be blamed for not resisting? I bought her some new clothes (camera coverings) and underwear (light seals because I expected some light leaks) from Aki-Asahi. I already had a stash of 120 film so I was ready to go as soon as she arrived.

After a few days the Automat (version I) turned up, and I was right. When I was 20 she was 15, but time has passed … for both of us. So Lolita’s granny arrived, and she was in a bit of a mess. Hazy lens (”no haze” said the ad), unusable rangefinder – haze and barely visible rangefinder patch or secondary image (“no problem” said the ad), shutter slow at all speeds (to be expected). The external appearance and operation were fine; the slow shutter could be allowed for; a new beam splitter could be cut from an inexpensive beam splitter from China and ‘relatively easily’ (the video says) fitted. The problem of the lens would remain. Apparently the Zuiko lenses are prone to cement degradation and the cement actually etches into the glass, so an “easy” repair is neither possible nor cheap. The Koji Sekor and Mamiya Kominar lenses (on some earlier versions of the Mamiya 6) are supposedly made of more robust glass so suffer less, but a look at a few on ebay suggested they were not immune.

The test film showed leaks galore – and with one exception the sky was overcast. The featured image is by far the best of the bunch.

Mamiya 6 Automat
Not the best. not the worst
Mamiya 6 Automat
The worst while overcast
Mamiya 6 Automat
Then the sun came out

So I decided to return granny for a refund and time for a rethink, a logical, unemotional rethink.

There are two things I like very much about the Mamiya-6. One is the compact size and robustness of the collapsible structure. The second is the back focus design which allows a far more rigid front section once opened and also easy access to the rangefinder unit for adjustment or repair. Sadly they aren’t made like Leicas and the Zuiko lenses are made from vulnerable glass.

There is another lens option. The Automat II, the final model to join the line up, has a Mamiya Sekor lens. It costs three times as much (partly scarcity value) and has the same equipment as the Automat I (though a better viewfinder), the lens is made by Mamiya instead of Olympus but has exactly the same functionality and similar (four element) make-up – both supposedly Tessar designs. But for that price as a user camera there are many alternatives with proven lenses so I’ll probably pass on that.

The New Mamiya 6 – which Ken Rockwell seems to think is the best MF ever – is frighteningly expensive. Nevertheless I had a peek on ebay and the first one advertised said “haze in lens”.

Hmmmm… back to my lovely Leica, and hide my wallet.

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By Geoff Chaplin
Primarily a user of Leica film cameras and 8x10 for the past 30 years, recently a mix of film and digital. Interests are concept and series based art work. Professionally trained in astronomical photography, a scientist and mathematician.
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Gary Smith on Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

For between $200 and $300 USD, you can get a 6 x 6 folder that will fit in your pocket! The Voigtländer Perkeo II should scratch the itch for MF.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=voigtl%C3%A4nder+perkeo+ii&_sacat=69323&_from=R40&_trksid=p2553889.m570.l2632
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

Thanks Gary, I'll take a look at the Perkeo. I've tried two MF folders so far, both described as "mint" but both with poor lenses. Most other things I can fix but "twice bitten ...."

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Gary Smith replied:

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

Understood. The Perkeo II is fitted with an 80/3.5 Voigtländer Color Skopar. Mine was in good shape, no fungus or lens fogging.

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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

Thanks again Gary, I'll read the reviews and have a look around. I've used the colour skopar lenses before and been impressed.

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Jeffery Luhn on Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

Geoff,
So sorry to hear of your bad experience with the Mamiya 6 Automat. I have both the 6 and the 6 Automat. I thought I lost the 6 and bought the Automat... then found the 6. Both of mine were in the $160-200 range last year and they have no issues. I trade with Japanese dealers through eBay and they offer money back warrantees. I hope you take another run at a 120 folder.
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

Thanks Jeffery. As I've said before I love the concept of folders but so far no luck. I'll try again sometime.

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Jeffery Luhn replied:

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

After I replied to you, I went onto eBay to check prices on Mamiya 6 Automats. The ones from Japan range from $139-$250 USD. Since I already have two, I clicked on similar items and saw a Zeiss Super Ikonta 532/16 for $134 USD with 4 minutes left on the auction. I read the description and it looked okay, save for some lens haze, but not fungus. The seller had 100% feedback. I tried to stop myself by doing the Dr. Strangelove move, but it didn't work. I already have three similar models. I bid $136 and got it. $28 shipping from Connecticut. See what you've done, Geoff? The GAS from your posting leaked through my monitor and overwhelmed me! Are we to wear gas masks now? Maybe there should be a "Read at Your Own Risk" warning. This site is dangerous! (Insert laughing emogee here) Jeffery

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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

Ha, ha,ha! But no, you've got it wrong. You are a seasoned and experienced camera collector astutely investing in cameras you know and understand well, cameras that will appreciate dramatically over the coming years amply repaying your modest initial cost in addition to being a constant source of joy! Well done my friend!

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Chuck Young on Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

Geoff: Thanks for your amusing narrative. I have had good luck with my old RF cameras.
Betcha that some black electrical tape would help with those light leaks!
Chuck
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 26/10/2025

Thanks Chuck, yes black tape and/or mastic would have solved some of the leaks, and new seals the rest, but I think the lens was beyond repair.

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Omar Tibi on Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

Comment posted: 27/10/2025

Love the lighthearted narrative Geoff, I really enjoyed reading your toiling with the Mamiya! Unfortunately gas masks can't prevent this kind of attack :)

Unfortunate that the Mamiya turned out so badly, it looks beautiful from what I've seen! Though maybe your wallet breathed a sigh of relief...are you considering any other MF body at the moment? I've played around with the idea of getting an MF camera in my head, but given how much I spent on my Contax system, I can't justify an additional format/system at the moment...
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 27/10/2025

Thanks Omar, I'm glad somebody enjoyed it! I have a couple of TLRs but I do love the folder concept and size. Yes, it looked beautiful but what I've realised is 'mint' on eBay refers to external appearance only.

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Timothy Hancock on Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

Comment posted: 27/10/2025

I have been stalking Lolitas for the last few days and then this ! I don’t need the hassle of another bad relationship so thanks for the warning. Now wondering about a newer Fuijica Super 6 - GAS attacks are deadly.
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 27/10/2025

I've just saved you from a GAS attack (or at least made you re-think) but immediately you turn and temp me with another model! GAS demon Timothy! Stalking Lolitas .... no, we definitely shouldn't do that!

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Ibraar Hussain on Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

Comment posted: 27/10/2025

Geoff thanks for the entertaining (and informative ) read!
A shame Granny had a leak
Have you tried the Konica Pearl?
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 27/10/2025

GAS demon! "granny has a leak" - hahahaha! Thanks Ibraar - I'll take a look with one eye closed and sitting on my hands.

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Simon Foale on Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

Comment posted: 27/10/2025

Hi Geoff, if you go for a higher price point (around GBP300 - 350) you are more likely to get one with a clean lens and without so many maintenance issues. I just found two nice looking specimens with a quick scan of Ebay. But they do cost more. Fortunately for me, mine came with a pristine lens, accurate shutter and light-tight bellows, but I have had to take the top plate off two or three times now to clean and lubricate the winder mechanism. That was initially a bit daunting because I bought one of the models with a large spring inside the winder knob that takes a bit of coaxing to reposition when you are reassembling it. I imagine there are plenty of other brands and models of 6x6 folders with decent lenses that are about as compact as the Mamiya 6, as suggested by a couple of others already.
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 27/10/2025

This post has really made the GAS demons come out! Thanks for your advice Simon, and tempting suggestion. I'm keeping my cool for now ..........

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Danai on Mamiya-6 Automat – GAS ATTACK!!!

Comment posted: 31/10/2025

Dear Geoff,

As the first of the accused, I must defend myself! Firstly, I was merely documenting my journey in the hopes that it would be useful to my fellow photographers who had been shooting digital and were contemplating trying film for the first time — or returning to it after a long hiatus. Secondly, as a fellow sufferer of GAS, I only meant to share in a way that would support others afflicted with the same condition! I am unable to take any responsibility for the dollars lost due the to the reading of my blog post!

On a more serious note, I’m very grateful for the kind words — this was my first blog post ever, glad you enjoyed it!
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Geoff Chaplin replied:

Comment posted: 31/10/2025

Yes, I enjoyed it very much, in the end I only lost return (local) postage. Lighthearted comments both sides - keep the posts coming, I'm sure you've got lots more to say. The thing that attracted me most to the camera apart from compactness is the back focusing system - novel and smart. I still want one, but only with a haze free lens.

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Danai replied:

Comment posted: 31/10/2025

I greatly enjoyed reading your post as well. I thought the lens on my first camera was hazy, but compared to yours its quite clear! All in, combining my two Mamiya Six IV cameras into one good one cost me around $400 USD. Quite a bit more than I originally intended to spend but I'm happy with the results. I've never seen an Automat model in a local shop. That would tempt me as I find myself missing shots when I forget to cock the shutter.

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